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  • #31
    Originally posted by SavageSunJeep View Post
    Cut cords, uncut cords, run out or just run away I use Harbor Fright angle grinders which have distinct advantages over nearly anything out there,

    1) Can you spell cheap. I get them on sale with a coupon as low as $9.98 for a 4 1/2 angle grinder and it comes with a handle and a couple of grinding disks and a spare set of motor brushes.

    2) Each angle grinder is a different experience:
    a) the on button may be on top or L/R side
    b) RPM appears to vary as much as 5000 RPM or more
    c) colors, blue, orange so far
    d) as cheap as $9.98, something $12.98 and if you don't have a coupon it can run you $16.98

    3) Did I say they were cheap. I can get as many as 10 4 1/2 angle grinders for your 1.

    Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking DeWalt or anything else, in fact I own a DeWalt angle grinder. I don't work in a shop other than my own so no one really sees it but me. I have 3 HF and 1 DeWalt on my cart and its just a hobby for an old retired guy

    I tried one of the HF cheap grinders and wouldn't even give it to a friend. I threw it away.

    You couldn't give me 1000 of them to replace ONE of my dewalts. They're simply an inferior product. They're nowhere near the power, and just about worthless even on the lightest of tasks.

    I think you wasted your money. Your expectations may be a little lower than mine. I expect the manufacturer to stand behind their stuff for more than the time it takes me to lose the receipt.
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    • #32
      Monte,

      Thats just a given about the silicone, sorry I didn't specify, that was mis leading. Knit kevlar is the cut resistant version, woven has a better use as Kinetic energy absorbing material utilizing its tensile strength.

      Geez do yall not believe me about the gloves? Do I have to use my precious bandwidth to show a picture?

      Whatever, it was an idea thats all , I never said #11: "ye shall purchase kevlar cloth and have thy wife sew it into a shield for divine protection of the sacred grinder cord and it shall come to pass that said grinder cord in accordance with commands 3 and 11 shall be protected by archangels , and thus and so forth and so on , hommina hommina , amen"

      I prefer to just watch where the poop I put my grinders cord in relation to the spinning thingy on the end............. Sounds like we need to have a life insurance lottery pool on those of you who have this grinder cord problem and also own a "gas axe" (oxy acetyline rig for those of you who have never heard of such) .

      Amen
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Fishy Jim View Post
        I tried one of the HF cheap grinders and wouldn't even give it to a friend. I threw it away.

        You couldn't give me 1000 of them to replace ONE of my dewalts. They're simply an inferior product. They're nowhere near the power, and just about worthless even on the lightest of tasks.

        I think you wasted your money. Your expectations may be a little lower than mine. I expect the manufacturer to stand behind their stuff for more than the time it takes me to lose the receipt.
        Some HF type tools can still be very useful, safe, and at a relative good price compared to quality versions. I have the HF metal bender and their bead roller which were both on sale at half price and work fine for what they are.
        But.........I don't want a $10 grinder with a $.59 wheel on it spinning at 10000
        rpm close to my body. I seen imported machines that were not bad untill
        a bolts breaks and it is such crap you just can't believe they used it. What grade of metal are the spindles in these cheap grinders. This so much crap in HF. A person needs to know how to wade through it. The stuff I might purchace there could all be put on one aisle.
        Nick
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Fishy Jim View Post
          I tried one of the HF cheap grinders and wouldn't even give it to a friend. I threw it away.

          You couldn't give me 1000 of them to replace ONE of my dewalts. They're simply an inferior product. They're nowhere near the power, and just about worthless even on the lightest of tasks.

          I think you wasted your money. Your expectations may be a little lower than mine. I expect the manufacturer to stand behind their stuff for more than the time it takes me to lose the receipt.
          Fishy, I cannot address your experience but I can assure you I know a LOT of folks that use these grinders.

          Power: Of the 3 HF and my DeWalt 1 of my HF that has my grinding wheel is the most powerful of the 4 grinders I have. Buy a large margin.

          As for wheels I use DeWalt or I use a commercial brand I get at the welding supply.

          Finally the bottom line and this is a point for all of you newby's and hobbyists that might be reading...There is an old saying, "form follows function". The work I do is rather crude as compared to what many folks might do. I do fabbing on Jeeps and about 98% of the work I do is under the Jeep often making a repair to a failed part and I need to upgrade for the beating we put our off road Jeep thru. I don't know of anybody that wants it pretty, just want it strong. For what I do HF is a great fit.

          My expectations = the work I do and vice versa. Trust me I know HIGH expectations. At one time I worked in a highly classified area. 100% of all work was examined and checked for tolerance and I can assure you the margin for error was ZERO, there were no mistakes.

          All work regardless of how small was inspected and tagged. Then an additional 50% of all work was spot checked. Nothing went out the door without a worker and inspector audit trial and was signed by all whose hands touched even if all they did was wipe it down.

          Depending upon your "grade" it took a minimum of 2 or 3 folks present in order to do any work at all. And yes you had to have a partner to go the bathroom. Cost was not important getting it right was.
          Don
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          • #35
            That's funny, cause I worked on 17 million dollar aircraft that I then had to fly in. I know what life and death is - that's not my beef with the HF grinders.

            My issue is that the one I had, I used solely for cutoff wheels. Light duty job by anyone's standards. It slowed down in the cut!

            Then, having used it for less than 2 months but more than 6 weeks (warranty of 90 days), the locking pin for the spindle was bent so far sideways I wasn't sure if I would be able to change wheels the next time. From the experiment, I decided that having the cut off wheel on a dedicated grinder was a worthy expense and I bought another dewalt. The HF castings are weak, and that brings credit to Bob's concern about how much shrapnel will be created when it fails.

            I'll put my 10A dewalt dw28402 against a $10 HF any time, any where. I tell those who care about their tools not to waste their money.

            I also have a HF hammer drill I bought for $20 that's every bit as functional as the Bosch unit I keep having resistor problems with (the resistors get hot enough to unsolder their leads). It's probably made by ryobi (not that they're a great manufacturer) as there is a ryobi stamp on the chuck. It's at least a clone of the Bosch drill, but it works better than the original at this point. I figured if it lasted long enough to sink my rebar for installing my block, I had gotten my money's worth. As it turned out, the thing isn't too shabby.
            Syncrowave 250DX
            Invison 354MP
            XR Control and 30A

            Airco MED20 feeder
            Thermal Dynamics Cutmaster 81
            Smith O/A rig
            And more machinery than you can shake a 7018 rod at

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            • #36
              HF experience...

              You can't nock harbor frieght for some things...

              I had a job where we had MANY ornimental scroll handrail panels that were to be wire brushed, painted then lightly brushed and clear coated for a fatigued affect.

              Lots of wire brush time. I bought 3 HF grinders for under $10 each and a bunch of better wire brushes (cheap ones scare me with the wires flying all over) a few pairs of safety googles and a bench buffer polisher with a wire wheel. Total cost - under $125.

              Price for the finished rails, over 10K. I set the guys up and left for Greece for vacation .

              Came back, panels are done, grinders go in the garbage, polisher goes in my shop. My nice Metabo grinders, still in great shape in my garage where they belong. Priceless.

              I have bought many other things as well (some which i haven't even opened sitting in garage, like the 36" brake). I have a 110 lb anvil and well the craftsmanship... its an ANVIL for crying out loud!

              I like some of the assortment packs that are handy and the multi bits are really not bad... I save my Lenox for important stuff...

              The most important thing.. they have BLUE casters.. usually

              John

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              • #37
                You will be surprised about anvils. 100 yr old will ALWAYS give better ring than Chinese.

                Don't get me wrong, cheap is good, Blacksmiths wouldn't even think about using an import "anvil". me I will use what I can.
                Tim Beeker,
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                • #38
                  I went to the HB in Vegas last year. After donating money to the hotel, I bought the welding magnets (oh...about 30 of 'em) that were on sale. Had fun going through security. They work great Far as grinders:
                  3 HF grinders friends had brand new, lasted 1/2hr then made REALLY weird noises and vibrations so we threw them away, never to buy HF grinders again.
                  I'm not late...
                  I'm just on Hawaiian Time

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                  • #39
                    One thing I have noticed about power tools and a person's luck with them, it varies by person. All the power tools I use are Skil, Bosch, or the latest on the Craftsman 19.2V cordless line. Of mine, 20 years old and still going. Of my fathers, only 2 Bosch have bit the dust, now they are scavenged for parts for the other units. For my dad and myself, we have had great luck with the chosen line of tools. Even have a couple of Makitas we really like. We do have a couple of DeWalts and absolutely hate them. Don't like the feel, or how they trigger. Luckily, they were both door prises and we didn't invest in them. Now, a buddy of mine, he can break a Bosch just by looking at it. He has all Makita and some old, old Skils and Black and Decker Industrial that just won't quit. He tried a Milwaukee brand drill once and it fell apart just after the warranty ran out. A friend of my dad, he has all DeWalts and loves them. Go figure.
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                    • #40
                      Yeah I got one of those HF specials one time, I think it had a trigger.......
                      After maybe, maybe one hour, the 90 gearbox got hot enough that it caused pain through cheap leather gloves while changing discs. Guess the guy that is supposed to shoot the grease in there was sick that day cause the POSTMORTEM on it revealed NO grease. The gears had beaten themselves senseless. And the shaft had expanded enough to chew its bushing to heck and back.

                      IF we would all quit buying this crap, then they would quit making it, and our options would then be quality tools. And HF and HD might go the way of the DODO , and we could get an extinct practice called customer service back, in the locally owned hardware stores , that are almost gone.
                      SYNCROWAVE 200
                      Atlas 618 lathe (vintage 1960) reconditioned DC
                      Sioux 3/8 Pneumatic Reversible Drill
                      Makita Everything else
                      2400 square feet of Sanford and Son lookin shop space
                      "Once the spoon flys, putting the pin back in won't solve anything"
                      USA 15T, 15V

                      www.myspace.com/blackbird455

                      http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...5/DSC00356.jpg two cans, one welder

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                      • #41
                        Blackbird455: we would all quit buying this crap, then they would quit making it....
                        Well, unfortunately they won't stop making them, but it'll give the store like those a hard time! Same like the Chinese ATV's that another thread was talking about. Lot of things we DON'T know are made in China, but these are OBVIOUS!!! We are all guilty to save a buck and hope that $10 tool will be as good as the $180 U.S. one. We buy one, we learned it's a piece of garbage, let's not make the same mistake twice, just to save a buck!!! Support things that are made in the U.S.!!!
                        "Stupid is as Stupid does"
                        I'm not late...
                        I'm just on Hawaiian Time

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                        • #42
                          Oh, but everything is made in china because the shareholders wanted an extra nickel in dividends. We really are doing it to ourselves.

                          Obama can't change cheap citizens, and taxing the **** out of us is only going to make the problem worse.
                          Syncrowave 250DX
                          Invison 354MP
                          XR Control and 30A

                          Airco MED20 feeder
                          Thermal Dynamics Cutmaster 81
                          Smith O/A rig
                          And more machinery than you can shake a 7018 rod at

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Fishy Jim View Post
                            Obama can't change cheap citizens, and taxing the **** out of us is only going to make the problem worse.
                            Very true.
                            But once they get the masses converted to so c i a lism, everything will be fine.
                            Remember, they think that the government needs to protect us from ourselves, and provide for us beause we are too stupid to make our own decisions
                            Jeff

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