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  • #16
    Scott I agree with everything you've said. Storts has been pushing these on the forums for almost a year, I was just wondering how many people have actually bought them. He says just as nice as a Dynasty. Ha, there are plenty of capable TIG guys with inverters on these boards. I would love a week with one of those chinese units to compare with my 300DX. I would also bet it's not even in the same class. It was said on the Hobart site that they are all the same machines with different paint, but noone wanted to take the cover off and take some pics.

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    • #17
      Scott & Joe,
      I drive a German car, shoot an Italian shotgun, a Finish rifle and use a Japanese camera. I like and use many top line imports, though I would rather stay US when possible, but it scorches me like nothing else to have to buy anything from China. I have spent considerably more to buy items specifically because they were not built in China and am an inveterate reader of labels of origin. Harbor Freight seems to have a strong following here and I have one in town, but have bought exactly one item there, saw virtually everything in the store comes from China and don't even consider them as a source anymore. If I have to buy their crap I'd just as soon do without if at all possible. Sometimes it's impossible to find an alternative, but I always try. Not to flame folks that do buy china made, I just can't see supporting a country that holds such a threat to us. Glad to know there are others who look beyond the dollars as well.
      Manny

      PS: Mighty glad Miller is still US made, think their products and the company is first rate, even if they do cost more, and are going up again shortly. I'll willingly pay the fare as long as they continue like this and will drop them like a stone if they ever go the china route.

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      • #18
        I think Storts is Riland's biggest customer. He bought a pallet of them to become a distributor and probably hasn't moved one since. He won't agree to take the skin off either. I guess when you're bluffing about them being "different" chinese welders, you can't show your hand.
        Syncrowave 250DX
        Invison 354MP
        XR Control and 30A

        Airco MED20 feeder
        Thermal Dynamics Cutmaster 81
        Smith O/A rig
        And more machinery than you can shake a 7018 rod at

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        • #19
          Originally posted by joebass
          Do a search on hobart, and shopfloortalk.com.... there has been some discussion lately. I personally would never own a chinese machine.

          The sad thing is 75% or more of the parts in a Dynasty come from china, guys I challenge you to look at most everything you buy, it is from china. I am 100% AMERICAN but china just out works some Americans. Some Americans have become lazy. Why do you think the large car manufacturers are having problems, workers getting lazier and wanting more money for it. When you buy American, the majority of the price is labor. By the way Riland is 2x larger than Lincoln and Miller combined, as far as volume of units sold. www.riland.com.cn

          It takes a great company like Miller to assemble, market, and warranty products.

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          • #20
            never heard of them. Cant find them on the web
            well that dosent do much for marketing dose it? i supose warentee work would go about the same way.Cant find them

            When you buy American, the majority of the price is labor.
            thats not because we are lazy its because we dont use lil kids and pay our workers $1.10 a day. ok so maybee the rent is only $30.00 a month but still. our wages are higher, and we need to be willing to pay the extra or soon we will make nothing at all. then we will be totaly reliant on china. how's that sound to ya. speeky the chineezzza.we will not remain a supper power or even a great contry when we have nothing to contribute to the world as a hole and only take, because the lil kids in china work for $1.00 a day. perhaps that is reason enough not to buy there stuff. my 6 year old is in school today and the thought that he could have been in a factory all day working insted makes me glad we have labor laws.
            there is no way american companys can compeat with the chineez if all you think about is the all mighty $$$$$$$. you need to start thinking about where that $$ is realy going. reserch for a misal pointer at us?? a lil kid forced to work all day??? if we dont suport U.S. buisness soon we wont have it.
            thanks for the help
            ......or..........
            hope i helped
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            feel free to shoot me an e-mail direct i have time to chat. james@newyorkmetalart.com
            summer is here, plant a tree. if you don't have space or time to plant one sponsor some one else to plant one for you. a tree is an investment in our planet, help it out.
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            • #21
              Bbseay, no offense but how about a little more about you or your credentials? Your only posts here and at Hobart are pushing chinese stuff. By the way that Riland site is horrible to navigate. where is the info about how much bigger riland is than Lincoln or Miller? I find that hard to believe, unless they are the ones making all the chinese units and painting the sheetmetal differnt colors.

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              • #22
                [QUOTE=bbseay]The sad thing is 75% or more of the parts in a Dynasty come from china, ...
                ...By the way Riland is 2x larger than Lincoln and Miller combined, as far as volume of units sold. www.riland.com.cn
                QUOTE]

                Bullsh!t and Bullsh!t, I say.

                Nice claims; too bad they are not true. Before you start throwing out bad info (on a Miller site, nonetheless), you should do your homework.

                That Riland web site looks like it was translated by one of those $1 per day 12-year olds working in the factory. If you scan the pseudo-English info on "about us" you'll see that they proudly proclaim that someone else manufactures their products. Good looking products, by the way. If you like junk.

                JD

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                • #23
                  bbseay

                  your just blowing a lot of hot air. and personaly i think if that is all you have to offer, you should go offer it elsware.
                  i feel sorry for any one who falls for your line of crap, and buy's one of theous. that is if they could even find a place to buy it from here in the U.S.

                  it's one thing to offer input on another brand here but you are just spewing poo. if you want to be taken sereously you better come up with a bit more info than that line you got now. so show us you are not full of it . lets see some distribution sites, repare facilitys and atleast some data sheets that actualy give you some data. from what you have shown we might as well just go out back and light oure $$$ on fire. i supoe you expect me to just maile my $$$ off to some site that looks like my 6 year old made it. i think i'll pass.have you ever even tryed to weld with one of thease, or did you just find a way to make some $$$ pushing junk??? you got a closet full of thease things you bought for $50.00 each hopeing to get rich screwing hard working people by convincing them to buy your poo??


                  The sad thing is 75% or more of the parts in a Dynasty come from china
                  where's your sorce for that. you just spewing more poo, i supose you got a guy on th inside with all the facts right.

                  dude go home and dont come back.
                  thanks for the help
                  ......or..........
                  hope i helped
                  sigpic
                  feel free to shoot me an e-mail direct i have time to chat. james@newyorkmetalart.com
                  summer is here, plant a tree. if you don't have space or time to plant one sponsor some one else to plant one for you. a tree is an investment in our planet, help it out.
                  JAMES

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                  • #24
                    75%??

                    As a employee for Miller -TIG I can say that our products and there componets are NOT made in china. The majority of the assemblies/sub assemblies, parts are manufactured in the Mid West. The remaining are within the US.

                    How do I know? I design them.

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                    • #25
                      The majority of the assemblies/sub assemblies, parts are manufactured in the Mid West. The remaining are within the US.

                      booooo yaaaaa!!!!! thats what im talkin bout.
                      thank you verry much.
                      thanks for the help
                      ......or..........
                      hope i helped
                      sigpic
                      feel free to shoot me an e-mail direct i have time to chat. james@newyorkmetalart.com
                      summer is here, plant a tree. if you don't have space or time to plant one sponsor some one else to plant one for you. a tree is an investment in our planet, help it out.
                      JAMES

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                      • #26
                        Component Sourcing

                        Compass,

                        Would you mind sharing where you source the electronics in modern inverter units such as the MaxStar or Dynasty?

                        Outside of TI and a couple of other plants, there are very few semiconductor manufacturers in the US, at least for commodity parts like microprocessors and memory.

                        Seems like to me there are some specialized high-current devices as well as a rash of completely ordinary parts that are surely sourced outside the USA simply becaue they are so commodity we don't make them here anymore.

                        Also interesting in a "percent of parts" discussion would be a value component. For example, I don't really care if a manufacturer sources 2,000 resistors at 2c a piece for a device that sells for $5,000 when the other 15 parts that make up the unit are the real value. Sure, 99% of the parts might come from china, but 99% of the value comes from the US...

                        I'm not trying to bust chops here-- I'm looking for facts. I have a lot of respect for miller's products regardless of where they are made. The Dynasty and Spectrum machines I own are 1st quality, and I'm a very happy customer.
                        BigDTig, Dallas, Texas
                        Miller Dynasty 200DX
                        Coolmate III Cooler
                        Miller Spectrum 125C
                        Ellis 1600 Band Saw
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by joebass
                          Bbseay, no offense but how about a little more about you or your credentials? Your only posts here and at Hobart are pushing chinese stuff. By the way that Riland site is horrible to navigate. where is the info about how much bigger riland is than Lincoln or Miller? I find that hard to believe, unless they are the ones making all the chinese units and painting the sheetmetal differnt colors.
                          Never have tried to sell anything (Push Stuff). I think Miller makes great machines. I am not Chinese, and do not want to be one. Miller does larger dollar figures,if you sell 2 welders for the for every 1 of miller or lincoln you are larger in units sold.

                          There will be a new Chinese car company coming to America in the next 1-2 years. It promises to be as large as Toyota and Nissan. Chinese marketshare in America is growing daily. Start looking on the things you purchase. Not very many Chinese manufactures if any use child labor, maybe 10-20 years ago, but times are changing.

                          About the lazy thing maybe it is not laziness but the attitude that the man owes you something, and if you don't give me what you owe me, I will go on strike, When workers are bankrupting a company like some of the larger car manufacturers, they work 6 hours and get paid for 8 , that seems like a dream come true. If I work for 6 hours I get paid for 6 hours. If a man works 6 hours he shoud get paid 6 hours and not be owed anything else.

                          When people won't work because their government check is larger that what they can earn on a job that starts you out with a small wage and increase your wages as you show yourself worthy and faithful to your employer, that is laziness. There are millions of people like that here in America.

                          I am in the manufacturing business, and study market trends, and by no means know everything.

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                          • #28
                            I find it VERY hard to believe they sell more welders than Lincoln or Miller. look at all the heavy industry and construction in North America alone. I have worked in GM factory. All the welders were Miller. Most engine drives in this continent are Lincoln or Miller, with a few of the other companys. Lots of big companys still buying and using heavy industrial transormer machines, that are not Riland also. Plus the fact that Lincoln and Miller were around when all the chinese were doing was farming rice. You are full of it! How come you have no answer to the bull that the guy from Miller TIG proved you wrong about? .........By the way I searched your posts on both these boards and you have only pushed these machines! Still waiting for someone to prove that Riland is any different than Harbor Freight crap.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by bbseay
                              Miller does larger dollar figures,if you sell 2 welders for the for every 1 of miller or lincoln you are larger in units sold.
                              If you are suggesting that Riland sells 2 welders for every welder sold by Miller, I would be interested in seeing the source of your information. If you are basing your statement on reliable, factual information, it is worthwhile to the conversation. If you don't have a credible source to share with us, its all just hot air.

                              JD

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                              • #30
                                Its obvious that stuff made in china can't be compared to usa or north american made products. I think the main reason that GM is not doing very well is because toyota makes a very good product and people are seeing that toyota's product is more durable and is more percise.

                                this is just my opinion

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