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    If you:

    1. were new to welding and wanted to buy a good quality mig welder
    2. planned to use it connection with an old car hobby (so occasional welding of brackets, sheet metal, minor metal repair, creating stands, holders, very basic tools, etc)
    3. were not going to use it commercially and had $1250 to spend
    4. and had a MM210 available locally, used once, purchased four years ago and truly in like new condition available to you for 1250 (1350 with a new large full cylinder of 25/75), would you buy that knowing it is over kill or spend the same money for something newer and smaller?

    my own views: bigger is always better, can grow into it, etc; but, takes up more space, more cumbersome, harder to use on thin metal

    thanks for your views

  • #2
    Originally posted by edlebby View Post
    If you:

    1. were new to welding and wanted to buy a good quality mig welder
    2. planned to use it connection with an old car hobby (so occasional welding of brackets, sheet metal, minor metal repair, creating stands, holders, very basic tools, etc)
    3. were not going to use it commercially and had $1250 to spend
    4. and had a MM210 available locally, used once, purchased four years ago and truly in like new condition available to you for 1250 (1350 with a new large full cylinder of 25/75), would you buy that knowing it is over kill or spend the same money for something newer and smaller?

    my own views: bigger is always better, can grow into it, etc; but, takes up more space, more cumbersome, harder to use on thin metal

    thanks for your views
    Why buy a used MM210 when you can buy a brand new MM211 inverter with full warranty for less...???

    https://www.millerwelds.com/equipmen...-welder-m30024

    Last edited by H80N; 09-28-2016, 06:34 PM.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by H80N View Post

      Why buy a used MM210 when you can buy a brand new MM211 inverter with full warranty for less...???

      https://www.millerwelds.com/equipmen...-welder-m30024

      It includes a full new large bottle. That would be a good savings which would make it a tough one. The 211 (previous model) is a very good unit the new one I haven't used so I can't comment on it. I might lean towards the used one cause of the bottle might want to see if he would negotiate a little.

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      • #4
        if i have absolute access to 240v at all times, is there any reason to get the 211 v the 190?

        in other words, is the real comparison 210 v 190 or 210 v 211 for what i am looking to do?
        Last edited by edlebby; 09-28-2016, 07:05 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DATEC View Post
          I might lean towards the used one cause of the bottle might want to see if he would negotiate a little.
          he started at 1750 ... he's not going down any lower

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          • #6
            Originally posted by edlebby View Post
            if i have absolute access to 240v at all times, is there any reason to get the 211 v the 190?

            in other words, is the real comparison 210 v 190 or 210 v 211 for what i am looking to do?
            The MM211 is 38lbs and handles 3/8 inch........... the MM190 is 35lbs and handles 5/16 inch..... the used MM210 is 200lbs and handles 3/8 inch...

            I would opt for a NEW MM211 with warranty instead of a used machine with no warranty
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            *******************************************
            The more you know, The better you know, How little you know

            “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

            Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

            My Blue Stuff:
            Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
            Dynasty 200DX
            Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
            Millermatic 200

            TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000

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            • #7
              thx H80N

              not that it will matter at this stage but doesn't the 210 have a higher duty rate?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by edlebby View Post
                thx H80N

                not that it will matter at this stage but doesn't the 210 have a higher duty rate?
                Yes that is true

                MM210 160amps @ 60% Duty Cycle (Range 30-210amps)
                MM211 150amps @ 40% Duty Cycle (Range 30-230amps)
                Last edited by H80N; 09-28-2016, 08:14 PM.
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                *******************************************
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                “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

                Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

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                Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
                Dynasty 200DX
                Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
                Millermatic 200

                TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000

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                • #9
                  given the amount of continuous welding i would do for some time to come, it does not seem that the potential future use of the higher duty cycle outweighs the pros of a smaller newer unit and full warranty at same price - it appears that the 211 gives you and extra 1/16" and 10 amps at the same 40% cycle for $200...

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                  • #10
                    If he won't take any lower offers then the new 211 would be a good choice my 211 (previous version) is absolutely a bad ass unit and is all I will ever need and has more power then I could use for what I do.

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                    • #11
                      I think i agree

                      thx all

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                      • #12
                        I'm with H80N and Datec. I pulled out my "old" (transformer) MM211 today to weld some 16 ga tubing. What a great machine. I'm still not ready to give up my antique MM200, which I've been using for most of this project but the 211 is awesome, and I'm sure the new one is equal or better. Given what you plan to use the machine for, you won't be sorry you went for the new 211 with a warranty.
                        Last edited by Aeronca41; 09-28-2016, 09:46 PM. Reason: Spelling

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                        • #13
                          For what you've described you would be fine with any decent 110 welder.... no need to spend nearly that much. If you get good with it you'll get more done with something like that than a lot of people with much more invested in their welder.

                          I used a Hobart Handler 130 for years, and was quite happy with it. I actually got a MM211 a few years ago and am quite happy with it, but it didn't really add to my ability to MIG weld steel, even heavier stuff. Even though the MM is rated for much thicker steel in one pass than the HH, you could basically weld the same heavier stuff with a big weave or multiple passes. To be quite honest I was happier with the arc from the old HH (enough so that I haven't been in a hurry to sell it, honestly if it wasn't for the autoset I'd bet that it would have been MUCH harder to learn to weld with the MM than it was with the HH), and don't like the autoset on the MM (it gets you close if you're in a hurry, but you can almost always get better settings by tweaking the dials, and the arc is just not as smooth as the old HH). The thing that the MM really did add to my arsenal is the spool gun for aluminum- I have a TIG but there are times I'd rather just whip out the spool gun and start filling with it, especially if I need to lay down a lot of aluminum, but even that I had to modify to get it to work correctly (the stock tips are just way too small, most people have problems with them melting, I modified mine to use the same tips as my normal MIG gun)
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                          • #14
                            Don't forget to look around at places like Tractor Supply for the Hobart HH210 on sale. Great arc and reasonable price. Lots of guys love them and Hobart is a sister company of Miller owned by ITW.
                            Just sayin'

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                            • #15
                              thanks to all for the advice - very much appreciated

                              i agree with the the sentiment above on the MM211 v MM210...that is done

                              on a hobart v miller, i gave that lots of thought prior to the deciding to go with a miller - i think the hobart from what i have read is a fantastic machine and far exceeds my abilities today...and even shares some parts with the Miller - having said that, for $50 more (northerntool $950 delivered (900 plus tax, free delivery) for the H210 and comparing that to the cyberweld $1000 delivered for the MM211 (1100, 100 rebate, no tax no delivery)), why not go all they way miller?

                              as to going for a smaller mig welder (say a hh140 v mm141) the economics are the same conceptually - that is the mm is not that much more than the hh when factoring tax, delivery, rebates, etc - and as to starting small and then stepping up, i have always been a buy it right and buy it once kind of guy - why pay the retail premium (necessary to get the warranty) twice? - plus, i suspect the bigger MM will devalue less over the years so it will end up being a better "value buy" even if more $ up front - just my two cents from the research i have been doing - on top of that, i think there must be a premium you are paying for a 110 only machine to avoid having to do electrical wiring at home...i can easily wire up a 220v 50a outlet in the shop so why pay that premium when i don't need the 110 only luxury?

                              so...order has been placed for the MM211 (many more than 2 cents!) ... 1 more guy in the world that will know how to mig weld (probably very poorly for some time) - can't wait to be a rank amateur welder!

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                              thank you
                              Last edited by edlebby; 09-30-2016, 11:13 AM.

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