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  • What size wire for 220 circuit for Miller 211

    I'm getting the miller 211 and I need to wire in a 220 outlet for it. I need to know what size wire to use. Its about a 50' run Thanks

  • #2
    This has been discussed many times. You will find lots of info by searching.

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    • #3
      Manual

      Originally posted by ehofer1 View Post
      I'm getting the miller 211 and I need to wire in a 220 outlet for it. I need to know what size wire to use. Its about a 50' run Thanks
      The manual should answer that question. It can be downloaded from the resources link at the top of the page.

      Richard
      Syncrowave 200, Millermatic 211, Victor torch, Propane forge....

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      • #4
        8 AWG with a 40 amp breaker because the machine draws almost 30 amps.

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        • #5
          The manual is confusing at best. Ignore the 14 and 30,,, with a wire 12 or better you can breaker this machine to 50A,,, but my tailor made circuit for one is 10/30.

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          • #6
            I ran mine off of 75' 8 gage wire and a 40 amp breaker. I think the book called for a 50 amp breaker

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bigtow30t View Post
              I ran mine off of 75' 8 gage wire and a 40 amp breaker. I think the book called for a 50 amp breaker
              My MM210 only calls for a 40 amp breaker.

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              • #8
                I would run #6. That way when you upgrade you will have large enough wire. Price the difference between # 6 and 8

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                • #9
                  I don't believe #12 wire should be on a 50 amp breaker, and I don't think it's good for over 20 amp breaker but not sure.

                  I just wired mine with #8 as I will probably get get something bigger down the road.

                  Breaking the above mentioned rule, I did wire a 110 outlet onto one of the legs in the box so I don't have to run and additional ext. chord for the grinders.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Castiron View Post
                    I don't believe #12 wire should be on a 50 amp breaker, and I don't think it's good for over 20 amp breaker but not sure.

                    I just wired mine with #8 as I will probably get get something bigger down the road.

                    Breaking the above mentioned rule, I did wire a 110 outlet onto one of the legs in the box so I don't have to run and additional ext. chord for the grinders.
                    It's muddy for sure on this BUT it is allowable under certain circumstances.
                    Even the Miller manual has 14g wire on a 30amp as minimum wiring if you follow the NEC art 630 guidelines.

                    As Sberry mentioned the manual causes lots of confusion- that's why he stated 10g 30amp is a really good fit. Doesn't break the bank on wire costs and easy to work with.
                    Ed Conley
                    http://www.screamingbroccoli.net/
                    MM252
                    MM211
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                    TA185
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                    • #11
                      It would be difficult to immagine an inspector giving his approval to a 30 amp circuit using 14 gauge wire. Generally a circuit using 14 gauge wire is limited to 15 amps, and 12 gauge wire for 20 amp circuits, 10 for 30, and so on. Remember, the breaker is there to protect the wire, not the end user. Never skimp on wire, it is false economy. Besides, no one really likes the smell of their shop burning to the ground.

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                      • #12
                        I wrote a blog post about how to make an extension cord for the Miller 211 in March.

                        Check out the site below and it should answer your questions. I used 8 gauge 3 wire and it was 65 feet long. I have never had a problem with it and have had it for almost 2 years (blog post came much later of course. )

                        https://www.diyweldingplans.com/diy-...ord-diy-style/
                        Kelly
                        kelly@diyweldingplans.com
                        www.diyweldingplans.com
                        Miller 211 w/spoolmate
                        Miller Spectrum 625

                        I make and sell welding plans. Have you created something that is practical, awesome, or a money-saver? I would be happy to share your project at
                        www.diyweldingplans.com

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                        • #13
                          252 Manual

                          I just looked in my 252 manual(page 20, sec. 5-12):
                          Input voltage 230
                          Input amps @ rated output 46
                          Max recommended fuse in amps. time delay 50 amps
                          normal operating 60 amps
                          I don't where a circuit breaker fits in here, but my guess is 50 amps.

                          Min Conductor size AWG 8ga.
                          Max conductor length 127 ft.
                          Min ground size AWG 10ga.

                          That said I have two store-bought extention cords both have Nema 6-50 ends,
                          one is 2-8/1-10 and the other is 3/8.

                          In the end I like the idea of 6ga. from a 50 amp breaker. Room to grow.
                          Millermatic 252 w/30A
                          Big Blue Air Pak
                          Ellis 3000 Band Saw
                          Trailblazer 302 Air Pak w/ Wireless Remote
                          8-RC
                          Dynasty 200 DX
                          XMT 350 MPa w/S-74 MPa Plus
                          Millermatic 211
                          Passport Plus
                          Spectrum 625 X-TREME
                          Lincoln SA-200 Blue Tint Red Face '63
                          2-Lincoln SA-200 Red Face '68
                          SA-200 Black Face '59
                          SA-200 Green Lite '84
                          SA-200 Green Lite '80
                          SA-200 Red Face '69
                          SA-200 Red Face '66
                          SA-200 Green Lite '81
                          '70 Black Face Round Barrel

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                          • #14
                            252 Manual

                            I just looked in my 252 manual(page 20, sec. 5-12):
                            Input voltage 230
                            Input amps @ rated output 46
                            Max recommended fuse in amps. time delay 50 amps
                            normal operating 60 amps
                            I don't know where a circuit breaker fits in here, but my guess is 50 amps.

                            Min Conductor size AWG 8ga.
                            Max conductor length 127 ft.
                            Min ground size AWG 10ga.

                            That said I have two store-bought extention cords both have Nema 6-50 ends,
                            one is 2-8/1-10 and the other is 3/8.

                            In the end I like the idea of 6ga. from a 50 amp breaker. Room to grow.

                            Good Luck,
                            Bob
                            Last edited by Bob Miller; 06-19-2014, 09:51 AM. Reason: add word
                            Millermatic 252 w/30A
                            Big Blue Air Pak
                            Ellis 3000 Band Saw
                            Trailblazer 302 Air Pak w/ Wireless Remote
                            8-RC
                            Dynasty 200 DX
                            XMT 350 MPa w/S-74 MPa Plus
                            Millermatic 211
                            Passport Plus
                            Spectrum 625 X-TREME
                            Lincoln SA-200 Blue Tint Red Face '63
                            2-Lincoln SA-200 Red Face '68
                            SA-200 Black Face '59
                            SA-200 Green Lite '84
                            SA-200 Green Lite '80
                            SA-200 Red Face '69
                            SA-200 Red Face '66
                            SA-200 Green Lite '81
                            '70 Black Face Round Barrel

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