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  • #16
    OK, this is what I did . .

    I went to Air-Gas and they explained the cylinder leasing to me which included all the hazmat charges & other crap.

    Instead I opted to "buy a cylinder" per their description.

    I understand that I really don't own the bottle & it has to be filled at Air-Gas.

    I think it more as a deposit on a bottle. My LWS was almost 50 miles round trip, so I decided to give them a try.

    One time cost of $290.00 for a full tank for my Miller 251 MIG.

    They way they explained it is in the future I bring this bottle in, they will give me a full bottle & all I will pay for is the gas.

    Does this sound familiar to anyone? If this was
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    • #17
      I don't object to a haz mat fee if they are handling a hazardous material. Airgas charges me to handle Argon tanks. That's OK, though I'm not too sure what's hazardous about argon. When they send me a bill for a lease renewal, why the hazardous material handling charge? Do the office personnel risk poisoning licking the stamp?
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Willie B View Post
        I don't object to a haz mat fee if they are handling a hazardous material. Airgas charges me to handle Argon tanks. That's OK, though I'm not too sure what's hazardous about argon. When they send me a bill for a lease renewal, why the hazardous material handling charge? Do the office personnel risk poisoning licking the stamp?
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Wacko Welder View Post
          I went to Air-Gas and they explained the cylinder leasing to me which included all the hazmat charges & other crap.

          Instead I opted to "buy a cylinder" per their description.

          I understand that I really don't own the bottle & it has to be filled at Air-Gas.

          I think it more as a deposit on a bottle. My LWS was almost 50 miles round trip, so I decided to give them a try.

          One time cost of $290.00 for a full tank for my Miller 251 MIG.

          They way they explained it is in the future I bring this bottle in, they will give me a full bottle & all I will pay for is the gas.

          Does this sound familiar to anyone? If this was
          Unless the law is different in your neck of the woods, you got hosed. Is their name on the neck ring?

          I buy brand new empty bottles with a blank(customer owned) ring. It is in my possession as I trade for a refill at any LWS I feel to frequent, again with no name. As soon as I leave and it is in my possession, I am again the owner. That is the law. But Airgas is lending you the bottle, and no other gas supplier will fill it. No matter what the circumstances Airgas is the owner.

          You can buy customer owned bottles empty of filled from HTP/usa weld, and I think they ship free if purchase is over $50. Many outfits around the country will do the same. I think even Harbor Fright does it. Meh.
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          • #20
            Reason Forum Thread Temporarily Down

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            • #21
              Here is some pricing that I pay: Haz Mat Fee _____ $ 4.75

              #4 acyt. or 145 Cu Ft. __________________________________ $ 49.30

              337 Cu Ft. Oxy _______________________________________ $ 16.94

              336 Cu Ft 90/10 Argon Co2 mix __________________________ $ 29.64

              336 Pure Argon _______________________________________ $ 27.84

              Keep in Mind, I work on their building, Installed a crane for them and spend Approximately $ 300.00 to $ 400.00 a month with them for the last 18 of my 26 years of being in business.

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              • #22
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                Please excuse my ignorance and pin point the offensive words that are in this thread... We are in a welder world not at the royal court of wherever. I only saw stars and how can you describe an offensive behavior from a suplyer woh at the bottom line is really a...(chose your word)...

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                • #23
                  Well actually I found the statement " if you work at Airgas screw you" somewhat offensive.
                  I have a decent local Airgas and those guys are my friends.
                  The manager is in the Air Gaurd and did at least one tour in Irac.
                  They have beat Indiana oxygen on all my machines. All are helpfull and knowledgable. I really don't think they belong in this category.
                  I do realize there are poorly run stores out there. Doesn't mean everyone who works there is jerk. Even if the corporate policies are just plain awful.
                  Simply my opinion... YMMV

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                  • #24
                    i have dealt with this one individual for approx 30 years, arc source, airgas, he recently quit and took an early retirement. apparantly, there was talk coming down the pike that its time that the little guy finally has to pay what he should of been paying, no more discounted purchases for long time, good and loyal customers. if the little guy buys under ten grand a year, he will be getting a big surprise. this person dissagreed with the morals of the corporate decision, so he quit, he couldnt operate in that manner.. i, personally have done well with airgas, only due to the fact that the people employed are the same people that i have been doing business for the 30 year stint. airgass recently filled a hole in our area with a new outlet. i am kinda screwed though, i am down to only one individual that i have built a relationship with, and he has just been placed on a different route. these big corporate outfits dont really have us by the xxxxx, i just learned of a company that just opened up selling gas as it should be priced, airgass is creating a fix for the small guy, there will be some one there for us to trade with as it used to be, it will just take time. i must also add that the people at airgas that i am not familiar with have been very good, they are in a tough situation

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by FusionKing View Post
                      Well actually I found the statement " if you work at Airgas screw you" somewhat offensive.
                      I have a decent local Airgas and those guys are my friends.
                      The manager is in the Air Gaurd and did at least one tour in Irac.
                      They have beat Indiana oxygen on all my machines. All are helpfull and knowledgable. I really don't think they belong in this category.
                      I do realize there are poorly run stores out there. Doesn't mean everyone who works there is jerk. Even if the corporate policies are just plain awful.
                      Simply my opinion... YMMV
                      +1 on that...

                      Even though I consider some of their corporate policies odious....

                      the local staff has always treated me well...

                      I do believe that those corporate policies have opened the door to more responsive regional suppliers like Haun Welding Supply in our region..

                      http://www.haunweldingsupply.com/HWS-Home.aspx

                      these smaller players are growing rapidly and filling in with exceptional service where the huge players are failing in their greedy "take it or leave it attitude"...
                      free market forces will determine the outcome...
                      people will vote with their wallet and spend their money where they have the best balance of service and price.....

                      E-commerce will sharpen the contrast between the players and further shave the profit margins..

                      I have no upset with the local Airgas staff... just some of the corporate policies that I disagree with...
                      Last edited by H80N; 05-20-2014, 06:25 AM.
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                      • #26
                        I think the world of local employees. It is corporate high level management I have an issue with. I have an issue with a hazmat fee on a paper only transaction. I resent delivery charges, with fuel surcharge for a 3 OZ Radnor item I pick up in their store. An argon tank switch I pick up in store should not cost $112 plus thirty dollars in greed charges. They make excuses, "it pays for tank maintenance". They already charge tank maintenance built into lease fees, the hazmat fees are charged whenever they handle a tank. How does lease renewal expose personnel to hazard?
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                        • #27
                          Airgas has it usages. While I don't buy regular consumables and gasses from them, they have always been competitive with capitol equipment. Especially since my local local local guy won't sell Lincoln equipment. His words,,, "look around, do you see anything red here????" His loss, not mine.
                          Obviously, I'm just a hack-artist, you shouldn't be listening to anything I say .....

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                          • #28
                            I wonder if any anti trust laws have been broken or even distorted by Airgas buying up their competitors and creating a monopoly.
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                            • #29
                              So????? take it up with the FTC, if its that important to you.
                              Obviously, I'm just a hack-artist, you shouldn't be listening to anything I say .....

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by JSFAB View Post
                                So????? take it up with the FTC, if its that important to you.
                                Nope, what I prefer to do is take my business elsewhere. Were I near a major city, I could easily do that. In my case, there is one other supplier, they don't carry Miller. There are other things I can't get there. I'm forced to travel 60 miles to go where I'm happy with the way I'm treated.
                                I wish Airgas would charge hazmat fees on hazardous materials, not wire brushes, and aluminum TIG rod. I wish their gas prices were average, not predatory. I wish a store brand item I buy off the shelf didn't come with a delivery, and fuel surcharge. I wish I didn't receive a bill, then a few days later, a snotty letter with penalty charges. It seems a $10.00 item was bought early in the month so before I received my bill that invoice passed thirty days.
                                When I am buying a welder, and go to an Airgas branch in NH to defer the sales tax much of a year, I don't want a snotty letter from corporate headquarters instructing me to do business with my designated branch.
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