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  • Invertec 200. won't power on. help!!!

    Ok guys,
    I bought this machine from a reputable guy on eBay.
    This guy had 8 eight of them. took them out of service, they wired 480v.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/161246264682...84.m1497.l2649

    I got the machine, was full of dielectric power. normal I guess.
    I put the 6-50p on it.
    Switched the switch on the back to 230.
    Plugged it in, and nothing happens.
    I talked to the seller, I trust him.
    That's beside the point.
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    Let me know if you need more pics or info.
    Thanks,
    ~John
    Last edited by AKweldshop; 04-04-2014, 11:01 PM. Reason: pics
    Life is to short for cheap tools.

  • #2
    That's a very old machine.

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    • #3
      In case you do not already have it...

      here is the operators manual..

      http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im592.pdf

      maybe there is something in there about setup switchology that will fix it...

      did notice that they don't want it to be powered by a generator..

      "The V200-T should not be powered from the auxiliarypower supply of an engine welder. Special protection
      circuits may operate causing loss of output".

      so maybe it is a bit finicky about supply power??

      is that one of the Italian Lincolns..??

      I see it is about 1995 vintage...

      Last edited by H80N; 04-05-2014, 09:56 AM.
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      • #4
        Thanks H80N,

        The switch on the back is the on/off switch.

        So,
        The only thing left is that the plug is wired correctly?????
        Is it???
        Looks right to me, I've wired up about ten machines the same way.
        Still running.
        Green is the top(ground) and black and white can go to either of the bottom ones,
        Am I right???
        ~John

        Or it might be that 0.5 amp slow blow fuse.
        Anyone???
        Last edited by AKweldshop; 04-05-2014, 01:43 PM. Reason: more info
        Life is to short for cheap tools.

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        • #5
          I would read the WHOLE manual and go through everything... including any fuses...

          a lot of times it is the simple obvious stuff that bites us..

          6-50 wiring illustration... courtesy of BROC....



          Last edited by H80N; 04-05-2014, 02:22 PM.
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          Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

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          Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
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          • #6
            I'd check with an ohmmeter while it is unplugged. Black and red would be the standard Hot conductors. Black and white for 120 Volt configuration. This is not true with my new Dynasty with "Auto Line". These machines use red only for 3 phase. Sorry I don't understand either.
            Dynasty 280DX
            Bobcat 250
            MM252
            Spool gun
            Twentieth Century 295
            Twentieth Century 295 AC
            Marquette spot welder
            Smith torches

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            • #7
              Red would be one of the hot legs on most 240 volt equipment. White is used only when 120 volt is needed. This does not hold true on my new Dynasty. Red is used only on three phase.
              Dynasty 280DX
              Bobcat 250
              MM252
              Spool gun
              Twentieth Century 295
              Twentieth Century 295 AC
              Marquette spot welder
              Smith torches

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              • #8
                This machine had the plug on it you see in the eBay link.
                It had three wires.
                No red one.
                I'm sure I wired the right plug to the right terminal.
                I don'y understand it.
                I'll get you some better pics of the wiring in the morning.

                ~John
                Life is to short for cheap tools.

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                • #9
                  Ok,
                  I found the 0.5 amp fuse.
                  Now since its not clear, how do I tell if its any good???
                  Life is to short for cheap tools.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AKweldshop View Post
                    Ok,
                    I found the 0.5 amp fuse.
                    Now since its not clear, how do I tell if its any good???
                    Do you have a Multimeter?? and know how to use it to check the fuse continuity (out of circuit, removed from board)

                    if not.. find a friend that is competent in it's use..

                    MAKE SURE THE WELDER IS UNPLUGGED BEFORE YOU TOUCH ANYTHING!!!

                    From the Operators manual... page 22

                    The machine is dead - no output -
                    no fan.

                    1. The input power switch must bein the ON position

                    2. Make sure the input voltage iscorrect for the machine.

                    3. Check continuity of the 0.5-ampslow blow fuse located on the
                    P.C. Board.
                    Last edited by H80N; 04-06-2014, 06:45 AM.
                    .

                    *******************************************
                    The more you know, The better you know, How little you know

                    “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

                    Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

                    My Blue Stuff:
                    Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
                    Dynasty 200DX
                    Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
                    Millermatic 200

                    TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000

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                    • #11
                      not a 3 phase machine is it?
                      Originally posted by AKweldshop View Post
                      Ok guys,
                      I bought this machine from a reputable guy on eBay.
                      This guy had 8 eight of them. took them out of service, they wired 480v.
                      http://www.ebay.com/itm/161246264682...84.m1497.l2649

                      I got the machine, was full of dielectric power. normal I guess.
                      I put the 6-50p on it.
                      Switched the switch on the back to 230.
                      Plugged it in, and nothing happens.
                      I talked to the seller, I trust him.
                      That's beside the point.
                      Pics
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                      [ATTACH]33973[/ATTACH]

                      Let me know if you need more pics or info.
                      Thanks,
                      ~John

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                      • #12
                        I can't read the nameplate. Will it configure to 240 Volt single phase? Might it be possible to download a manual? I wonder if the way it is linked for 480 it won't recognize 240 as useable power supply. Most machines have connection diagrams on or in the supply enclosure.
                        Dynasty 280DX
                        Bobcat 250
                        MM252
                        Spool gun
                        Twentieth Century 295
                        Twentieth Century 295 AC
                        Marquette spot welder
                        Smith torches

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Willie B View Post
                          I can't read the nameplate. Will it configure to 240 Volt single phase? Might it be possible to download a manual? I wonder if the way it is linked for 480 it won't recognize 240 as useable power supply. Most machines have connection diagrams on or in the supply enclosure.
                          Willie

                          I gave him a link to the manual in post #3.....
                          .

                          *******************************************
                          The more you know, The better you know, How little you know

                          “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

                          Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

                          My Blue Stuff:
                          Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
                          Dynasty 200DX
                          Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
                          Millermatic 200

                          TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by H80N View Post
                            Willie

                            I gave him a link to the manual in post #3.....
                            I wasn't able to open the link. The red lead has me wondering.
                            Dynasty 280DX
                            Bobcat 250
                            MM252
                            Spool gun
                            Twentieth Century 295
                            Twentieth Century 295 AC
                            Marquette spot welder
                            Smith torches

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Willie B View Post
                              I wasn't able to open the link. The red lead has me wondering.
                              Willie

                              You may have a point there......

                              Easy enough to check which color wires are connected on the WELDER side..

                              that machine is single phase only so it may not follow the same convention used on the Miller Dynasty wiring...

                              if it is not connected... it will not power up....

                              Try this link to the Manual

                              http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asset...oln3/im592.pdf
                              Last edited by H80N; 04-06-2014, 12:47 PM.
                              .

                              *******************************************
                              The more you know, The better you know, How little you know

                              “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

                              Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

                              My Blue Stuff:
                              Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
                              Dynasty 200DX
                              Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
                              Millermatic 200

                              TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000

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