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    Reading the specs on the tigs. Looks maybe like the synchro wave 210 might be a good one for me to start on.
    Says it will do up to a 1/4 inch alum. Comes with the foot pedal and gun I don't know how good they are.
    I want to be able to tig thin alum all the way up to a 1/4 inch.
    2 yrs I'll be retiring from my job I'll be 59 and want to start building accessories for alum horse trailers.
    Advice on units would be very nice of yawl I value ever ones opinion here.

  • #2
    There's a member here that has one. Maybe PM him ? He's GINGER BOY.

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    • #3
      Buy a Dynasty,you will never feel the need to upgrade. If you are in a position to retire at 59 (WOW!) you can find a way to buy one. They aren't cheap, but a heck of a lot cheaper than upgrading to one, which you will do.
      Dynasty 280DX
      Bobcat 250
      MM252
      Spool gun
      Twentieth Century 295
      Twentieth Century 295 AC
      Marquette spot welder
      Smith torches

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      • #4
        I'm want to retire from my job but I have to do something else to make money I couldn't make it on just my retirement . I'm ready to do something else we got a lot of people here with horse trailers that are always needing something.

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        • #5
          No one with a tool they love ever said "gee I wish I had bought a cheap piece of junk" Buying a Dynasty will hurt for a short time then it's all pleasure.
          Dynasty 280DX
          Bobcat 250
          MM252
          Spool gun
          Twentieth Century 295
          Twentieth Century 295 AC
          Marquette spot welder
          Smith torches

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          • #6
            It depends how many bells and whistles you want. There's a member that bought a Dynasty and trade it for a Diversion after a short while. He complained to many options. I have a 180 SD, turn on gas and machine, set heat, push pedal and weld. When I get tired of it I'll go for a 210 for sure.

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            • #7
              Kpack,

              It sounds like you are planning to learn to TIG, not already proficient.
              If so, then I would stick to your plan to buy the Sync 210 or better look for a used Syncrowave. I bought a used Syncrowave 250 with foot pedal, cooler, cart, and HEAVY ground lead and HEAVY input wire for a bargain and cannot imagine needing to upgrade to a Dynasty. I'm about your age and spent the last year learning to TIG and improve my technique.

              Hope that helps answer your question. Good luck with whichever you buy.
              Burt
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              Miller 211AS
              Miller 375
              Miller Syncrowave 250
              Miller Thunderbolt XL
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              • #8
                Used Syncrowave

                If you want a good basic TIG, without spending a lot of money, it is hard to beat a used Miller Syncrowave 180 or 200. I have owned both, both are good. Both have High Frequency, AC and DC, so you can weld any metal, including aluminum. Both include stick and TIG. The original version of the Syncrowave 180 is arguably better for beginners, as it has minimal controls, three switches and one knob, simple to use. The later version of the 180 (180SD) added an AC balance knob and digital displays. The 200 has lots of bells and whistles, including pulse, which I like for thin copper. The 180 is a little smaller, but both are relatively big and heavy, around 200 pounds. Figure on at least a 50 amp 220V circuit for either welder, which is what I use. Some recommend a 60 amp 220V breaker.

                I bought the 200 for $1300, too good a deal to pass up, and then sold my Synchrowave 180 for $1150. The 180 price that I got was probably higher than average, and the 200 price that I paid was lower than average, so I did very well, paid only $150 to upgrade.

                Anyway, for somewhere between $900 and $1500, you can buy a used Syncrowave 180 or 200, and have a welder that will probably serve all your needs for decades. If you buy used, and you decide you need a bigger or fancier welder down the road, you can get almost all your money back when you sell it. You will take a big depreciation hit if you buy a new welder and sell it later. With these Syncrowaves you can TIG weld any thin metal up to about 3/16 inch, and you can stick weld any steel 1/8 inch or thicker. I used the 180 as a stick welder for months before I got around to buying an argon bottle. Some report that the 180 had a higher than average repair rate, but my original version 180 gave me no trouble.

                Alternatives to a Syncrowave: The Miller Diversion lacks stick. Stick is what you need to weld thick steel. The Dynasty is a great welder, but way too much money unless you have to have easy portability, or need 110V. (Note that a 20 amp 120Volt outlet will only run a welder at very reduced power, so 110V operation is not that great an advantage). If you need portability, you could consider a Thermal Arc 186 AC/DC, maybe half the price of a Dynasty. The Miller EconoTIG looks good on paper, but a Miller factory guy said that it was not that great, that the Syncrowave 180 was a much better machine. Lincoln makes the Square Wave 175, and Precision TIG 225, similar to the Syncrowaves, look for a used Lincoln as a possible alternative. Many if not most inverter welders are DC only, so you canít TIG aluminum. (Examples: Multimatic 200, XMT series, Maxstar series, the new Thermal Arc multi-process welders, Lincoln V350 and C300, etc.) The Chinese machines from Longevity and Everlast have an attractive price, but resale value, reliability, and support are concerns.

                Note that many inverter welders, such as the Dynasty or Invertec series, do not come standard with a TIG torch, regulator, and foot pedal, so they are even more expensive than they look at first glance. The Syncrowaves come with everything you need except a gas bottle. The welder manufacturers are pushing their high end inverter machines, but it is hard to justify the much higher cost, especially when you can find a used Syncrowave for not much more than $1000. They have sold a lot of Syncrowaves, so you should be able to find a used one if you look.

                Just for comparison, a new Syncrowave 200 retails for $2900, a new Syncrowave 210 retails for $3200, a new Dynasty 200DX with torch, regulator, foot pedal, etc., retails for $5100. The Lincoln Square Wave 175 retails for $1900, the Precision TIG 225 retails for $2900. On the used market, the Dynasty 200 welders are hard to find, and priced around $3000. The Syncrowaves are easier to find used, and priced right.

                The Syncrowave 250 is an industry classic, a great machine, but big and heavy, and more expensive. It should probably have a 100 amp 220V circuit, especially if you want to get full power out of it. The 250 is just more welder than most folks need, unless you need to TIG 1/4 inch thick aluminum.

                Richard



                Originally posted by Kpack View Post
                Reading the specs on the tigs. Looks maybe like the synchro wave 210 might be a good one for me to start on.
                Says it will do up to a 1/4 inch alum. Comes with the foot pedal and gun I don't know how good they are.
                I want to be able to tig thin alum all the way up to a 1/4 inch.
                2 yrs I'll be retiring from my job I'll be 59 and want to start building accessories for alum horse trailers.
                Advice on units would be very nice of yawl I value ever ones opinion here.
                Syncrowave 200, Millermatic 211, Victor torch, Propane forge....

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                • #9
                  I see some older Syncrowave's local on cl . I looked up the manual on them looks like they would take a bigger breaker than a 50 amp.
                  No I have never tigged or see it done except on YouTube .
                  all I have for alum is a bobcat 225 with the white rods not very pretty.

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                  • #10
                    So if I got a dc only unit it would not do alunimum or not very good ?

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                    • #11
                      DC for ferrous metal, AC for Al & magnesium. I wanted a TIG machine for years I just ached to weld aluminum. Aluminum truck beds look good for years even in VT. I can build with aluminum, it's light, lasts forever, never needs paint. In VT all steel turns to the Titanic in ten years. After building something, I want more than ten years. Besides I'm surrounded by aluminum boats.
                      11 months ago, I let a friend, manager at Airgas talk me into believing a Diversion 180 would meet my needs. It did not! The short duty cycle and total lack of adjust ability left me wanting more. I inquired at another supplier about an upgrade. They, and a customer who happened to be in the store tried to persuade me to buy a Syncrowave 250. I ended up buying a Dialarc 250 HF with all the bells and whistles, it turns out I paid too much. The Dialarc is a great old school machine, but I felt left out. I didn't have the features other guys have. I finally knew the longing wasn't going away, I had to have a Dynasty 280 DX.
                      Like golf, I can hone my skills for years and never get bored. It ain't likely I'll want to upgrade!
                      Had I bought the Dynasty first I'd have saved a lot of money, and time.
                      Dynasty 280DX
                      Bobcat 250
                      MM252
                      Spool gun
                      Twentieth Century 295
                      Twentieth Century 295 AC
                      Marquette spot welder
                      Smith torches

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                      • #12
                        Aluminum forms oxide instantly, Aluminum melts at 1200F Oxide at 2600F. DC melts the aluminum without removing the oxide, AC, during the workpiece negative flow blows off the oxide.
                        A Syncrowave is a square wave, 60 HZ machine. AC balance is accomplished by switching off power for part of the half cycle.
                        A Diversion is inverter square wave 120 HZ with fixed balance at 72% EN (28% Work Negative.) You'll be disapointed with the Diversion's lack of adjustment, and short duty cycle. or the Syncrowave's low frequency, and lack of adjustment.
                        There isn't a welder you can't complain about. The Dynasty is limited to one complaint: price. You'll get over the sticker shock, then have nothing to complain about.
                        Both of us are 57, the good years are limited, the notion of I'll upgrade ten years from now might not work.
                        Last edited by WillieB; 04-02-2014, 08:14 PM.
                        Dynasty 280DX
                        Bobcat 250
                        MM252
                        Spool gun
                        Twentieth Century 295
                        Twentieth Century 295 AC
                        Marquette spot welder
                        Smith torches

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                        • #13
                          Thanks for the suggestions . Maybe Santa Claus will bring me a dynasty.
                          I like not having to upgrade .
                          i read up a little on al and dc. You can do it but use helium and clean the metal.
                          I like the net you can really learn a lot. Ac on alum would be better for me.
                          Last edited by Kpack; 04-03-2014, 05:42 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kpack View Post
                            Thanks for the suggestions . Maybe Santa Claus will bring me a dynasty.
                            I like not having to upgrade .
                            i read up a little on al and dc. You can do it but use helium and clean the metal.
                            I like the net you can really learn a lot. Ac on alum would be better for me.
                            Think of AC as the only choice. DC EP leaves a mess. On Gilligan's Island the professor might have made do with it. Don't consider it practical.

                            EN puts most of the heat on the tungsten. Only very thin aluminum can be welded EN.
                            Dynasty 280DX
                            Bobcat 250
                            MM252
                            Spool gun
                            Twentieth Century 295
                            Twentieth Century 295 AC
                            Marquette spot welder
                            Smith torches

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Willie B View Post
                              The Dynasty is limited to one complaint: price.
                              Don't forget duty cycle.

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