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    Hey guys a buddy of mine stooped at my shop yesterday and we were talking about dual shield flux core wire and he said that he all ways pushes the gun,but I thought that whan there's slag you drag, any one els Agee?

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    Originally posted by DPSwelder View Post
    Hey guys a buddy of mine stooped at my shop yesterday and we were talking about dual shield flux core wire and he said that he all ways pushes the gun,but I thought that whan there's slag you drag, any one els Agee?
    Depends on postion. Vertical up hard to drag, going to be pushed. Flat welds drags best, but it can be pushed.
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    • #3
      I push 90% of the time...Bob
      Bob Wright

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      • #4
        dual shielded flux core wire

        Depending on the wire, perpendicular to a slight drag angle works best. Pushing you run a risk of slag getting in front of the weld pool.

        Going vertical up, gravity keeps the slag back where it belongs.

        Pushing you increase the risk of slag inclusion and some possible expensive re-work. I am not willing to risk a repair just to push.
        Last edited by benweldingawhile; 03-13-2014, 04:22 PM.

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        • #5
          I'm a veteran welder 31 years of experience and have welded everything under the sun,
          However, I just started running dual shield wire about 6 months on one of my machines and I honestly don't know, Everything I have done with the dual shield has been pushed, just as I do with hard wire.

          ( Sometimes you can teach an old dog new Tricks ) Keep in mind, I'm only 47 so I've got another 20 plus years in front of me.

          I could retire soon if I didn't have an addiction problem.
          ( I cant resist buying tools ) There's always that ( If I just had this one last tool I'd be all set)
          And then I get the 2014 Miller Catalog and I'm dreaming again.
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          • #6
            dual shielded flux core wire

            Same for me, I push 90% of the time, even dual shield just what works best for me.

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            • #7
              In position mostly I drag it.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by DPSwelder View Post
                Hey guys a buddy of mine stooped at my shop yesterday and we were talking about dual shield flux core wire and he said that he all ways pushes the gun,but I thought that whan there's slag you drag, any one els Agee?
                push it to the limit

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                • #9
                  I,m a pusher! Not a drug pusher!
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                  • #10
                    dual shielded flux core wire

                    What brand of wire do u guys normally run?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DPSwelder View Post
                      What brand of wire do u guys normally run?
                      The shop i work in buys ESAB 710X in .045 and 1/16". I use Inweld .035 at my shop...Bob
                      Bob Wright

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                      • #12
                        dual shielded flux core wire

                        I normally run lincoln outtershild 71m

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                        • #13
                          i run wire perpindicular, with about a 5 degree gun angle either way depending on the job, i have seen guys use so much of a push angle that the weld deposit just rolls out of the puddle in the form of round, steel balls

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                          • #14
                            I run Ultracore-71A85-1/16" dia
                            BB402D
                            TB300D
                            DIMENSION652
                            MM250X
                            MAXSTAR140
                            S-32 FEEDER W/1260 IRONMATE FC/GUN
                            HT/PWR-MAX1250 PLASMA

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                            • #15
                              I just finished up certifying in dual shield for all positions (1F, 3F, 4F) at school. I took two separate tests, one for 3F and one for 4F. The 4F test covers all positions, but I did two tests anyways. I passed both tests on my first try. I used a slight drag angle (maybe 5 degrees at MOST) on overhead, and perpendicular on my uphill. These were all multi-pass tests with a root pass and two covers.

                              The guys who kept failing were pushing their bead. The destructive tests clearly showed inclusions in their failures.

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