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  • #61
    Don't forget that new engine drives do not come with leads. Cables, clamp & stinger can be quite a sticker shock if you are a newbie. Figure about 125 -150 feet of cable total to start at $2 to $3 a foot plus ends & quick connects.
    MM250
    Trailblazer 250g
    22a feeder
    Lincoln ac/dc 225
    Victor O/A
    MM200 black face
    Whitney 30 ton hydraulic punch
    Lown 1/8x 36" power roller
    Arco roto-phase model M
    Vectrax 7x12 band saw
    Miller spectrum 875
    30a spoolgun w/wc-24
    Syncrowave 250
    RCCS-14

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    • #62
      Originally posted by MMW View Post
      Don't forget that new engine drives do not come with leads. Cables, clamp & stinger can be quite a sticker shock if you are a newbie. Figure about 125 -150 feet of cable total to start at $2 to $3 a foot plus ends & quick connects.
      Thanks MMW,
      I have 100' of for pos. and 100' for ground already. Clamps as well.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by SelfTaught View Post
        Thanks MMW,
        I have 100' of for pos. and 100' for ground already. Clamps as well.
        What wire size is it? On my BC 225 I have 2/0 leads, because it is rated for 200 amps, almost the full rated output of my machine. You don't want leads being the limiting factor on what you can weld. So make sure they are sized accordingly.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Bistineau View Post
          What wire size is it? On my BC 225 I have 2/0 leads, because it is rated for 200 amps, almost the full rated output of my machine. You don't want leads being the limiting factor on what you can weld. So make sure they are sized accordingly.
          Bistineau,
          They are 2/0. I see you have the BC 225. Do you feel "limited" in what you can do with it?
          Have you tried out the newer models? As I stated before, I believe now there is only a 500 watt difference in the gennie output of it and the BC250. There used to be a 2000watt difference. I can get the the 225 for about 3400 or the 250 for around 3800. The 400 dollar difference could help me get a spool gun for aluminium.
          Thanks

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          • #65
            Originally posted by SelfTaught View Post
            Bistineau,
            They are 2/0. I see you have the BC 225. Do you feel "limited" in what you can do with it?
            Have you tried out the newer models? As I stated before, I believe now there is only a 500 watt difference in the gennie output of it and the BC250. There used to be a 2000watt difference. I can get the the 225 for about 3400 or the 250 for around 3800. The 400 dollar difference could help me get a spool gun for aluminium.
            Thanks
            No, I don't feel limited at all with my rig. I have successfully welded everything I have used it on, from 11 gage up to 1/2" material. No failed or broken welds on anything. I don't use mine to put food on the table or pay the bills either though. I have it to make the things I want/need the way I want them done.
            There is a newer model at work I have used and didn't really notice any difference in how it welds VS. mine. But since you mentioned it, I believe the auxiliary output on it is 9500 watts, and it is a 225 NT. Remember, you will need the contactor box to use a spool gun with the BC, where you would NOT need it with a Trail Blazer.
            When I use it to power my MM140 I connect it to the 240 outlet to get the power I need to use it. It doesn't run right when connected to the 120 20A outlets for some reason. I made a double duplex outlet box with the male end to plug into the 240 V outlet, it uses one leg of the 240V to get the 120V for the MM140.
            Did you check out the link I included in post #44? You can find LOTS of useful info there. Good site. Some of the members on here are over there too. WAY more activity on that site as well.
            Last edited by Bistineau; 03-02-2014, 01:10 PM.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Bistineau View Post
              No, I don't feel limited at all with my rig. I have successfully welded everything I have used it on, from 11 gage up to 1/2" material. No failed or broken welds on anything. I don't use mine to put food on the table or pay the bills either though. I have it to make the things I want/need the way I want them done.
              There is a newer model at work I have used and didn't really notice any difference in how it welds VS. mine. But since you mentioned it, I believe the auxiliary output on it is 9500 watts, and it is a 225 NT. Remember, you will need the contactor box to use a spool gun with the BC, where you would NOT need it with a Trail Blazer.
              When I use it to power my MM140 I connect it to the 240 outlet to get the power I need to use it. It doesn't run right when connected to the 120 20A outlets for some reason. I made a double duplex outlet box with the male end to plug into the 240 V outlet, it uses one leg of the 240V to get the 120V for the MM140.
              Did you check out the link I included in post #44? You can find LOTS of useful info there. Good site. Some of the members on here are over there too. WAY more activity on that site as well.
              Years ago I bought a used Honda generator, checked output voltage, it was good. I plugged it into the house, and let it run a while. Suddenly the dining table light got too bright! I ran like **** to unplug. A loose connection on the neutral at the NEMA L14-30 receptacle meant imbalanced split of the 240. I lost some bulbs and a microwave, it could have been worse!
              Dynasty 280DX
              Bobcat 250
              MM252
              Spool gun
              Twentieth Century 295
              Twentieth Century 295 AC
              Marquette spot welder
              Smith torches

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Bistineau View Post
                No, I don't feel limited at all with my rig. I have successfully welded everything I have used it on, from 11 gage up to 1/2" material. No failed or broken welds on anything. I don't use mine to put food on the table or pay the bills either though. I have it to make the things I want/need the way I want them done.
                There is a newer model at work I have used and didn't really notice any difference in how it welds VS. mine. But since you mentioned it, I believe the auxiliary output on it is 9500 watts, and it is a 225 NT. Remember, you will need the contactor box to use a spool gun with the BC, where you would NOT need it with a Trail Blazer.
                When I use it to power my MM140 I connect it to the 240 outlet to get the power I need to use it. It doesn't run right when connected to the 120 20A outlets for some reason. I made a double duplex outlet box with the male end to plug into the 240 V outlet, it uses one leg of the 240V to get the 120V for the MM140.
                Did you check out the link I included in post #44? You can find LOTS of useful info there. Good site. Some of the members on here are over there too. WAY more activity on that site as well.
                Years ago I bought a used Honda generator, checked output voltage, it was good. I plugged it into the house, and let it run a while. Suddenly the dining table light got too bright! I ran like **** to unplug. A loose connection on the neutral at the NEMA L14-30 receptacle meant imbalanced split of the 240. I lost some bulbs and a microwave, it could have been worse!

                I answered an ad for a Bobcat 225, when I went to get it it proved to be a 250. Looking at specifications they are close, does it appear to you that they share the same engines? It isn't clear to me why they build two machines so similar.
                Dynasty 280DX
                Bobcat 250
                MM252
                Spool gun
                Twentieth Century 295
                Twentieth Century 295 AC
                Marquette spot welder
                Smith torches

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                • #68
                  From what I can tell from current info on these two machines, they are running the same engines. Either Kohler or Subaru, 23HP 3600 RPM, 9500 running watts of power for both, 11,000 peak output. The BC 250 with EFI has an additional 1,000 watts of power over the other two.
                  I believe maybe for selftaught's purposes, a Trail Blazer 325 would be a good consideration to look at, if he can handle the extra price of it. This would allow extra flexibility in the future when adding other processes to his bag of welding options, without needing to add as much in converter boxes and such. He won't be needing to upgrade from a BC later to be able to expand on welding capabilities either. Although 14 pin connectors can be added to BCs. It just takes a little bit of technical savy to do it, just ask DuanneB55 on here, he has done it on his BC 225. So it can be done, might need to send him a PM if wanting to possibly add a 14 pin connector to a BC.

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                  • #69
                    A 3/4 and one ton Chevy van are identical except the springs, yet the cost difference is staggering. They don't build different vehicles because it is cheaper to build 100000 of one than 50000 each of different models.
                    I have to think similar thinking is applied to Bobcat welders, they have many parts in common wherein lies the difference? It seems unlikely they will build two different generators so similar.
                    Dynasty 280DX
                    Bobcat 250
                    MM252
                    Spool gun
                    Twentieth Century 295
                    Twentieth Century 295 AC
                    Marquette spot welder
                    Smith torches

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by MMW View Post
                      Don't forget that new engine drives do not come with leads. Cables, clamp & stinger can be quite a sticker shock if you are a newbie. Figure about 125 -150 feet of cable total to start at $2 to $3 a foot plus ends & quick connects.
                      Welding is only a portion of my income, getting the job done requires versatility. At income tax time I have to add it up. I'm always startled at the money spent on tools! It isn't safe to think of the cost of buying a welder. You must estimate the cost of the support equipment needed to make it work. A 3000 Dollar welder costs 4500 dollars to use, before you buy fuel, electrodes, gas (shielding or fuel) Then there is electricity. Are you going to drive to the customer? Vehicle costs must be factored. Will you have a facility? Rent, insurance, license, utilities, depreciation must be considered. I get frustrated with customers who want to compensate me for rod. Huh? What about other expenses? Oh! you hoped I wouldn't know about them. Why wouldn't I know about them, they are real bills, I have to pay them!
                      Dynasty 280DX
                      Bobcat 250
                      MM252
                      Spool gun
                      Twentieth Century 295
                      Twentieth Century 295 AC
                      Marquette spot welder
                      Smith torches

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Willie B View Post
                        Welding is only a portion of my income, getting the job done requires versatility. At income tax time I have to add it up. I'm always startled at the money spent on tools! It isn't safe to think of the cost of buying a welder. You must estimate the cost of the support equipment needed to make it work. A 3000 Dollar welder costs 4500 dollars to use, before you buy fuel, electrodes, gas (shielding or fuel) Then there is electricity. Are you going to drive to the customer? Vehicle costs must be factored. Will you have a facility? Rent, insurance, license, utilities, depreciation must be considered. I get frustrated with customers who want to compensate me for rod. Huh? What about other expenses? Oh! you hoped I wouldn't know about them. Why wouldn't I know about them, they are real bills, I have to pay them!
                        Good advice there.
                        I have the ability and skill what I need now is buisness knowledge.

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                        • #72
                          I answered an add for a Bobcat 250 the other day. I was already to go buy a new one when this one jumped out and grabbed my attention. He was asking 2950 for it. It was 3 to 4 years old but only had 40 hrs on it. The gentleman who had it was older and only bought it to build a bridge on his farm.
                          I got off work yesterday morning after working 15hrs and called the guy to set up a time to meet. He told me that if I wanted to see it and try it out he would meet me at his farm which would cut my trip in half.
                          I went to the bank, got the 2900, went to my friends house and got the 10' double axel trailer he used to have his bobcat set up on (I got this trailer by helping him out a couple of days).
                          Met the man at his farm and test ran the machine.....and I was blown away. It burned the rods even better than the one we have at work.
                          He loads it onto my trailer and I pay him.
                          We talk and I also walk away with......
                          A 50lb box of 3/16" 7018A
                          10lb box of 1/8 7018
                          25 pickets 1/2" by 6' square tubing
                          4 -10' sticks of 1" square tubing
                          An extra 150' of welding lead
                          AND a 2.5'X8'X1" steel plate
                          For a whopping $25 extra.
                          So now I have about a 800 to 1200 dollar trailer for around $250.
                          A bobcat 250 with 40 hrs for $2950 and all the extras I listed above for $25.
                          I guess the plate alone is worth around 5 to 6 hundred.
                          To say the least I am HAPPY, HAPPY, HAPPY.
                          SelfTaught (Robbie D)

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                          • #73
                            Glad to hear you found a deal that worked out. If it is going to be outside I would get a breathable cover for it.
                            MM250
                            Trailblazer 250g
                            22a feeder
                            Lincoln ac/dc 225
                            Victor O/A
                            MM200 black face
                            Whitney 30 ton hydraulic punch
                            Lown 1/8x 36" power roller
                            Arco roto-phase model M
                            Vectrax 7x12 band saw
                            Miller spectrum 875
                            30a spoolgun w/wc-24
                            Syncrowave 250
                            RCCS-14

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                            • #74
                              Now if you can find away to cut that plate in half to use as a welding table top, you can have a table that measures 5'x8'x1/2" thick, that would make a NICE size welding table. Half inch thick top is plenty thick enough for most projects. Maybe a 30" cut bandsaw would do the trick. Don't try it with a torch though, the heat may warp it out of shape.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by SelfTaught View Post
                                Thanks for the replied thus far.
                                So in starting a small portable welding buisness it would be better to go with the dynasty and gennie instead of the bobcat.
                                I think that would be more versatile. I already have a100' of positive and negitive leads, tig torch with hoses and regulators as well as cutting torch set up. All I need is the bottles.
                                All I have ever used while tigging is 100% argon. For mig all I have ever used is 75/25.
                                I have heard of 50/50 helium mix.........what is this used for?
                                HI,
                                I spoke to a tech guy at Miller and he said "Do Not Use A Generator For The Dynasty Machines". I do not believe fluctuating power is good for them.
                                Best to check with Miller to be 100% sure.

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