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    I have this 1999 E 150 ford cargo van. A few years ago my right rear axle bearing went out and messed the axle up also. I had a shop do the work and it cost around $700. I needed it right away so I let them do it. Now it out again. Grrr. The van has 193,000 miles and the left side is still original and ok. I'm thinking what the he11. I called the same people who did the work and now it will be over $800. Crapola. So I decided to pull the axle myself and see if it is ruined again. It is. The bearings chewed into the axle shaft. The bearing has an outer race but no inner race. The roller bearings ride directly on a machined part of the axle. How dumb is that? So when the bearings go, so does the axle. It seems Ford no longer makes these axles. Aftermarket is your choice. If you can find the Ford axle, it's around $300. The $800 shop told me the axle was $350. I called Advance Auto for the **** of it and they can get me the aftermarket axle with bearing and seal for $159 plus tax by Dorman. . The rear end fluid is synthetic and about $20 a qt. Not sure how much it takes. With about a gazillion of these vans on the roads, why would Ford stop making axles for them.. Oh, BTW when I removed the axle and bearing that was destroyed, I put a magnet into the axle tube to recover all loose metal and bearings. I put all the bearings back into the outer race to make sure I had them all so they wouldn't get into the rest of the rear end and do more damage. Guess what? There were 4 bearings too many that the last repair people never got out. That's good work for ya. I'm sure some reading this drive Ford service vans. Thought I would share.
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  • #2
    noise...

    That rear should have been howling as the bearing fails, might want to drive with the windows open sometimes, why not go get one from a bone yard, open it up and replace the bearing, also i would be doing all the bearings on that unit, likely the carrier bearing are junk, also you can use 75w90 syntheic in that. Mobil one is about 7-8 a quart, if you overload this van i would do 75W140. If it has trac lock, be sure to add the friction modifier, if u do do a bearing replacement, besure to use timken bearings made in the Usa, if the bearings say anything else there junk, also if you do pinion bearings replace the pinion nut, and be sure to set the bearings using the rolling torque method.
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    • #3
      Actually when I first heard the noise, it sounded like an exhaust pipe hitting the frame. very random noise. I have been under that van many times trying to track down the noise but couldn't find what was causing it. It sounded like it was coming from the right front wheel. I checked both front wheel bearings and seemed fine. Then I thought trans output bearing or driveshaft. All seem fine. I even put the rear on jackstands and heard nothing but of course there was no weight on the bearings at that time. Then I thought after the noise got worse, mayby the rear brake shoes were dragging and being noisy. At that time the noise had become a bump, hit, grind, and may squeal. I can understand the bearings bumping and grinding but the squeal I was thinking the outer race started to spin in the housing. It didn't. When I finally got to pulling off the rear tires and drums, I saw that I could lift the right rear axle up and down almost a 1/4 inch. Well, he11, there's your problem. I hope that's all. Some noises are hard to pinpoint. As far as the Mobile One lube..75w140..can you be more specific. Since I have a basic rear end, I understand I do not need the friction modifier, Thanks for your input.
      The bearing that was replaced was a Torrington. I am concerned with the bearing that comes in the kit. If it's Timken I feel ok.
      Last edited by monte55; 12-30-2013, 03:32 PM.
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      • #4
        If you plan to keep the van I would look into replacing the entire axle.....sounds to me like it has a bent housing.
        I used to work with a guy that bought a new Dodge Dakota and always had front end issues.The dealer finally found out the the axle housing was not manufactured correctly.

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        • #5
          With the mileage on it, l want to use it a bit longer and then get another van.
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          • #6
            torrington

            Torrington bearings are fine, something is wrong, either poorly installed, van severely overloaded, or most likely run low on axle oil, thoose bearings do not fail often, use 75w90. Syntheic gear oil, honestly 80w90 would be fine also. I would be checking the carrier bearings also.
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            • #7
              Van is not overloaded. Carries hand tools, test instruments, a couple of tool boxes and parts etc. Probably no more than 6-700 lbs . What is the carrier bearing? When I pulled the cover, not much fluid came out...less than a pint but some was lost past the axle seal but still too low in my opinion. The cover and pinion were bone dry...no leaks there. left axle...dry. Maybe they didn't put enough lube in but it has lasted a few years even with the old parts they left in there. I mean the old bearing parts and metal shards
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              • #8
                fluid level....

                Were the brake shoes covered in slime? I would bet the level was low and the outer bearings were not being lubes. Carrier bearings support the carrier(carrier holds the ring gear) pinion bearings are on the pinion, which the yoke slips on, then connects to driveshaft, i would bet the bearings are shot in the diff, if it were me i would either rebuild it, or get a boneeyard axle, that entire axle should cost no more than 250.
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                • #9
                  FYI, if you decide to get a replacement axle from a boneyard, the ones from the F-150 will work as well as the ones from the E-150 of similar years. The main running gear of the vans is based on the running gear of the pick-ups, so you don't have to specifically get one from a van for it to work. This would probably be a cheaper, faster, easier fix than trying to rebuild the one you have for the second time. Just be sure to check the gear ratio in the one you get as a replacement if you go that route. Try to get one with the same gear set as the original if you are satisfied with the mileage now.
                  If you get a replacement axle, change oil, check the brakes, yada, yada, yada.

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                  • #10
                    Being a racer and a trucker, Ive seen my share of parts failures. Im truck now has over 2 million on it. The rears are original but the bearings are not. Ive had many problems with so called mechanics half a$$ work. You have more problems looming from your description.

                    Get a different axle, open it up and look inside. Remember the axle does NOT have to come from the same model truck. Nearly all drag cars, no matter the brand, are using a Ford 9 inch rear. This is what would have been used in an older F150 or E150. They are very durable and adaptable. There are welders aplenty to weld mounts on the tubes to match your suspension. Get a nine inch and keep the truck for another 100k.

                    If I were to build a light duty truck the same as heavy trucks are, I would use a Ford rear and Dana front.
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                    • #11
                      Flyingpig-

                      I drool over a 9" rear/d60hp front for my jeep. I'll probably just build up some ruffstuff housing when I get around too it.


                      This axle is bent. I had a semi-float dana 35 axle where the inside race was the axle shaft. Chewed through axles quickly. Didn't matter the oil level. Replace it with something heavier that has the same wms-wms spacing.
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                      • #12
                        Monte
                        Check with the wrecking yard for low mileage rear end. Have them check the interchange book for rearends that are direct fit. If you don't haul much weight you might want to change ratio at same time something in the 3.50 range would help the mileage especially if you have AOD trans. If doing a rebuild any of the name brand bearings should work,Timken, CR, National. Go to a bearing shop not the chain stores to get them, the couple extra dollars are worth the peace of mind. I would not go back to the same shop for any work. But it might not hurt to ask them for a little $$ back Ya never know. Check the truck magazines out for more ideas, no van mags out there anymore. If looking for professional work try Currie Enterprises all they do is rear ends.

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                        • #13
                          Many of the vintage Fords used the axle housing for the inner race of the outer wheel bearings. I recall that my brother's 1934 Ford Coupe was that way.

                          As to why companies no longer make replacements, I understand that after ten years they are no longer required to stock spares for a given model of car. You would think that there would be an axle in a warehouse somewhere, though.
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                          • #14
                            Lots of wreckers around, if the van isn't a 4x4, I wouldn't even look at repairing the exsiting rear end. I'd just get another. bolt up in around 4 hrs. Bleed the brakes, and off you go.

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                            • #15
                              Update

                              I got an axle kit through Advance Auto..includes bearing and seal..lugs..not installed and lugnuts for $159.00 by Dorman, also got cover gasket, Silicone gasket sealer, and 3 qt of Mobile 1 syn fluid at about $18 a qt. I didn't really want to use the bearing that came with kit..China so I paid an extra $19.xx for a National bearing. Although it doesn't say it on the bearing, the box says made in China. I was mistaken before on the bearing count. The bearing has 13 bearings. When I was putting bearings back into the old race, I didn't consider the spacing for the bearing cage. So instead of leaving four bearings inside the axle tube as I had thought, they left eight. There are 21 recovered bearings. What crap. The bearings can't come from anywhere else. The other bearings are different. The good part is the loose bearings have no chance to get into the ring and pinion area. I have the new bearing in and seal. Been cleaning axle tube and anything I can before putting it back together. Decided to stop and drink some beer. We expect snow tonight 2-4 inches maybe....but I'm in heated shop. Seems like ya just can't trust many people anymore.
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