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  • Miller absorbtion of the Smith Equipment line

    After hearing that Miller has absorbed the Smith line under their brand, a couple questions have come to my mind as a user and promoter of Smith products.

    1) Will any current smith products be dropped?
    2) Will any be added ( i.e. the even size welding tips )
    3) Will Smith engineering be dissolved or moved to China?
    4) How will conflicts of technology be handled? An example of this I am familiar with is Tig technology vs. O/A technology for aircraft construction. Will O/A get an unbiased and fair representation at trade shows with Miller knowing full well that there are much lower profits to be made on O/A vs a new Tig outfit?

    If it seems that I have some fears here, you would be correct. Smith makes by far the best aircraft welding torch, and I am fearful that Miller will kill it off in an effort to increase sales of entry level Tig machines. On the other hand there is an excellent chance here for miller to promote both technologys, honestly and capture a large percentage of the GA/homebuilt aviation market. Looking forward to your reply.
    -Aaron

  • #2
    How did the plasma effect the cutting torch? Its still around, if someone wants or needs it they will make it. May turn out well. The welding industry has had some good mergers.

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    • #3
      IK am not sure why I have any fear of welding alum with a torch, I should try it, would be good for field repair of tubing. My server is slow or I would ask for video links. I can use my tig wire for filler?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Aerometalworker View Post
        After hearing that Miller has absorbed the Smith line under their brand, a couple questions have come to my mind as a user and promoter of Smith products.
        I think its just another rumor. Smith and Miller are sister companies under the ITW banner. Miller uses the Smith products in its line...Bob

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        • #5
          Oh Goody...

          this discussion could easily dovetail with an old thread over on the Motorsports forum....

          http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...605#post310605

          oxy-fuel.... vs or plus electric inert gas technique... how they complement or contrast each other...

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          • #6
            Here's the press release:

            http://www.millerwelds.com/about/new...tting-offering

            Could paint them blue and call them Smurf torches.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by USMCPOP View Post
              Here's the press release:

              http://www.millerwelds.com/about/new...tting-offering

              Could paint them blue and call them Smurf torches.
              Thanks...Bob

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              • #8
                Hmm, I guess that is why my MM 252 came bundled with a Smith double dial flowmeter. It will make a nice backup. I have a vintage Smith ball flowmeter that was 15 years old when I got it fifteen years ago and it's still going strong. Smith is a good brand. I hope that it doesn't disappear.

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                • #9
                  My guess is that contact with Smith will be funnelled through Miller as they have been sibling companies for quite some time.
                  http://www.smithequipment.com/history.html

                  Probably like every other company they are trying to reduce overhead and duplicate job functions,Weldcraft and Tregaskiss have been that way for a while too.
                  Last edited by big mike; 08-12-2013, 08:34 AM.

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                  • #10
                    I guess my concern was more in the area of marketing and product development in the less than main stream models. Hoping to get a response here from Miller.

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                    • #11
                      Interesting that there has not been a single response from Miller yet. Is this forum even monitored anymore? We used to be able to get a response within 24-48 hours ususally. At least a note saying that they are getting the answers would be nice.

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                      • #12
                        Hi Aerometalworker,
                        We’re happy to address your questions and provide as much information as possible to make Miller and Smith customers comfortable with the changes. Please see the FAQs below – these should answer your questions.

                        Branding Questions

                        1. Why are Smith Equipment products becoming part of the Miller brand?
                        Integrating the Smith Equipment product line into the Miller brand offering allows us to take advantage of the strength, equity and recognition of the Miller brand. Miller has long been known and respected in the industry as a leader in welding and metal cutting technology. Adding the Smith Equipment product lines to the Miller brand will help strengthen the company’s offering. For additional information regarding the brand transition please view our press release of August 5, 2013 online at: http://www.millerwelds.com/about/new...tting-offering

                        2. What will change and where will the oxy-fuel products be manufactured? Be assured that the newly branded products will be the same excellent quality that they’ve come to expect from Smith Equipment. The only thing that is changing is the brand name, literature and the packaging. These products will continue to be manufactured in Watertown, South Dakota.


                        3. Will Smith Equipment branded product still be available? If so, what products?
                        Most Smith oxy-fuel products will only be available under the Miller | Smith brand. Specialty Gas Regulators, Quickbraze™, Little Torch and Handi-Heet® Kits will retain the Smith Equipment brand.

                        4. Where do I access information from the internet for these products?
                        Miller |Smith product information may be accessed at Millerwelds.com. Information regarding Smith branded products such as Specialty Gas Regulators, Quickbraze™, Little Torch™ and Handi-Heet® kits will continue to reside on the Smith Equipment website: smithequipment.com.

                        Product Questions

                        1. Will the depth of the current product line change following this brand transition?
                        There may be some minor changes to the product offering. Cutting outfits will no longer be available in toolboxes. All combination torch outfits will be supplied in Miller | Smith branded corrugated display boxes.


                        2. Will the part numbers change for these products?
                        No, we will continue to use the current Smith Equipment part numbers.

                        3. Will the warranties change for these products?
                        No, the warranties will remain the same.


                        4. Have there been changes to the product offering in the new Miller | Smith catalog?
                        Our product offering will see very little change. Combination Torch outfits will no longer be available in toolboxes. These outfits will be packaged in corrugated display boxes.
                        • Quickbraze™, Little Torch™ and Handi-Heet® kits will not be included.
                        • Some technical data will no longer be included. It will be available on line @ millerwelds.com
                        We will continue to manufacture the same torch models including the AW1A and Quickbraze™ torch models which are widely used for aircraft welding and brazing applications.

                        5. Where can I locate product technical information?
                        URL for regulator flow data: http://www.millerwelds.com/ownersmanuals
                        URL for cutting, welding & heating tip data: http://www.millerwelds.com/products/metalcutting

                        6. Where will design and engineering for these products take place? Product development and other engineering activities will be a collaborative effort between our locations in Watertown, SD and Appleton, WI.

                        7. Do we intend to promote one welding or cutting technology over another? There are no intentions of promoting specific technologies with the intention of eliminating or diminishing others. We intend to promote all technologies in order to enhance and increase the product offering for our customers.

                        If anyone has additional questions, please post them here and we’ll reply as quickly as we can, or email us at forum@millerwelds.com and we will direct your question to the appropriate person.

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                        • #13
                          Hey, Aero, remember the last time there was a name change? The torches used to be "Smith's", then they went to Smith. I have a new-in-box MW5 small torch set that must date from the 60's.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Miller Welders View Post
                            Hi Aerometalworker,
                            We’re happy to address your questions and provide as much information as possible to make Miller and Smith customers comfortable with the changes. Please see the FAQs below – these should answer your questions.

                            Branding Questions

                            1. Why are Smith Equipment products becoming part of the Miller brand?
                            Integrating the Smith Equipment product line into the Miller brand offering allows us to take advantage of the strength, equity and recognition of the Miller brand. Miller has long been known and respected in the industry as a leader in welding and metal cutting technology. Adding the Smith Equipment product lines to the Miller brand will help strengthen the company’s offering. For additional information regarding the brand transition please view our press release of August 5, 2013 online at: http://www.millerwelds.com/about/new...tting-offering

                            2. What will change and where will the oxy-fuel products be manufactured? Be assured that the newly branded products will be the same excellent quality that they’ve come to expect from Smith Equipment. The only thing that is changing is the brand name, literature and the packaging. These products will continue to be manufactured in Watertown, South Dakota.


                            3. Will Smith Equipment branded product still be available? If so, what products?
                            Most Smith oxy-fuel products will only be available under the Miller | Smith brand. Specialty Gas Regulators, Quickbraze™, Little Torch and Handi-Heet® Kits will retain the Smith Equipment brand.

                            4. Where do I access information from the internet for these products?
                            Miller |Smith product information may be accessed at Millerwelds.com. Information regarding Smith branded products such as Specialty Gas Regulators, Quickbraze™, Little Torch™ and Handi-Heet® kits will continue to reside on the Smith Equipment website: smithequipment.com.

                            Product Questions

                            1. Will the depth of the current product line change following this brand transition?
                            There may be some minor changes to the product offering. Cutting outfits will no longer be available in toolboxes. All combination torch outfits will be supplied in Miller | Smith branded corrugated display boxes.


                            2. Will the part numbers change for these products?
                            No, we will continue to use the current Smith Equipment part numbers.

                            3. Will the warranties change for these products?
                            No, the warranties will remain the same.


                            4. Have there been changes to the product offering in the new Miller | Smith catalog?
                            Our product offering will see very little change. Combination Torch outfits will no longer be available in toolboxes. These outfits will be packaged in corrugated display boxes.
                            • Quickbraze™, Little Torch™ and Handi-Heet® kits will not be included.
                            • Some technical data will no longer be included. It will be available on line @ millerwelds.com
                            We will continue to manufacture the same torch models including the AW1A and Quickbraze™ torch models which are widely used for aircraft welding and brazing applications.

                            5. Where can I locate product technical information?
                            URL for regulator flow data: http://www.millerwelds.com/ownersmanuals
                            URL for cutting, welding & heating tip data: http://www.millerwelds.com/products/metalcutting

                            6. Where will design and engineering for these products take place? Product development and other engineering activities will be a collaborative effort between our locations in Watertown, SD and Appleton, WI.

                            7. Do we intend to promote one welding or cutting technology over another? There are no intentions of promoting specific technologies with the intention of eliminating or diminishing others. We intend to promote all technologies in order to enhance and increase the product offering for our customers.

                            If anyone has additional questions, please post them here and we’ll reply as quickly as we can, or email us at forum@millerwelds.com and we will direct your question to the appropriate person.
                            Thanks very much for the reply, it is greatly appreciated!! Good to hear that the only change is going to be a name. Who would be a good contact to maybe put together a promotional display for the smith/miller torch line (aviation specific) at EAA oshkosh for 2014? Feel free to PM the reply if you wish. Thank you!!!

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                            • #15
                              The Miller booth will be at EAA in 2014 (as it was this year) and it will include the Oxy fuel cutting products.

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