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  • Syncrowave 350LX or Dynasty 350

    Looking for some feedback from the experienced here.

    I'm trying to decide between a Syncrowave 350LX and a Dynasty 350. It will be for the shop but there isn't any production to speak of yet. In each case I'll be looking at the TigRunner Complete. I have experience with the Dynasty but the Syncrowave is about $1188 cheaper.

    Pros and Cons on each will be helpful.

    Thanks.
    Lincoln Vantage 400
    Trailblazer® 302 Air Pak™

    Miller Dynasty® 350
    Millermatic 350P Aluminum
    Millermatic® 252
    Syncrowave 351
    Lincoln LN-25 Pro

    Multimatic™ 200

    XR-Aluma Pro Gun
    Diversion™ 180

    Spectrum® 625 X-TREME™

    Thermal Dynamics® Cutmaster® 52
    Victor Oxy/Acetylene Set

  • #2
    Pros only.

    Dynasty. Half the power draw, thus half the service requirements.
    High speed pulse.
    Independent en,ep setting.
    4 wave profiles. TriWave for beercan welding.
    Smaller utility bills.
    Smaller footprint.

    Synch. Cheaper initial investment.
    Nothing welded, Nothing gained

    Miller Dynasty700DX
    3 ea. Miller Dynasty350DX
    Miller Dynasty200DX
    ThermalArc 400 GTSW
    MillerMatic350P
    MillerMatic200 with spoolgun
    MKCobraMig260
    Lincoln SP-170T
    Linde UCC305 (sold 2011)
    Hypertherm 1250
    Hypertherm 800
    PlasmaCam CNC cutter
    Fadal Toolroom CNC Mill
    SiberHegner CNC Mill
    2 ea. Bridgeport
    LeBlond 15" Lathe
    Haberle 18" Cold Saw
    Doringer 14" Cold Saw
    6 foot x 12 foot Mojave granite

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    • #3
      A couple of more pros for the Syncrowave

      Proven design for a very long and reliable service life.

      Simple controls for a TIG machine.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Dipsomaniac View Post
        A couple of more pros for the Syncrowave

        Proven design for a very long and reliable service life.

        Simple controls for a TIG machine.
        +1

        Also:

        At 250A:
        • Sync350 has a 90%+ duty cycle
        • Dyn350 has only about a 30% duty cycle.
        (To get down to a 30% DC on a Sync, you're going to need to get up around 400A.)

        Oh, and the Sync has a 30+ year record of proven performance and reliability <shrug>

        Don't try that with a Dynasty boys and girls

        "But wait! We'll save seven cents on the light bill!"

        Originally posted by shovelon View Post
        TriWave for beercan welding.
        God knows beercan welding keeps us going 9 months out of the year.

        (Heck, you can weld beer cans with a sine wave machine.)
        Last edited by Helios; 03-30-2013, 10:03 PM.

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        • #5
          Thanks guys.

          I knew shovelon would go for the Dynasty. I really like the duty cycle of the Syncrowave and the lower investment. As far as power consumption, I guess it's only consuming power when it's turned on. And if that's the case.... It must be making money. Of course with a 1,000 sq ft shop, the smaller footprint of the Dynasty is nice too.

          Hmmm. What to do...
          Lincoln Vantage 400
          Trailblazer® 302 Air Pak™

          Miller Dynasty® 350
          Millermatic 350P Aluminum
          Millermatic® 252
          Syncrowave 351
          Lincoln LN-25 Pro

          Multimatic™ 200

          XR-Aluma Pro Gun
          Diversion™ 180

          Spectrum® 625 X-TREME™

          Thermal Dynamics® Cutmaster® 52
          Victor Oxy/Acetylene Set

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          • #6
            synchrowave

            have a synchrowave at shop (#11 to be delivered by zane weldcraft) been in use constantly since early to mid 70's. only repairs have been 1 circuit board and foot pedal resistors and replaced foot pedal cable (phisical damage). power hog but absolutely bulletproof machine. (we also have dynasty 200 for small intricate work-been problem free so far) will not be replacing the synchro 300 anytime soon.

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            • #7
              Dynasty. PROS
              3 phase input current capable. Allows for 1/3rd power bill of tranny tigs.
              Blue Lightning arc start. Set per tungsten size or custom configure start sequence.
              Tungsten life is double of tranny tigs while welding alum.
              Smaller tungstens required.
              Smaller cups required when welding alum, consumes less gas.
              Faster alum puddle formation. Uses less gas.
              Faster alum travel speeds. Uses less gas and power per foot of welds.
              Faster alum welding. Greater productivity per hour of welding. Higher profits.
              John Marcella switched to Dynasty. Better control and prettier welds. Puts out video.
              Up to 5000 pps pulse arc for high speed seam welds on Stainless or any other thin metals.
              Better pulse puddle agitation of syncs annoying 10 pps. All are default and usable until altered slightly.
              18 set and forget memory stations.
              PFC included.
              Default parameters are easy to understand and use right off.
              Less dependence of Helium while welding thick alum.
              Direct replacement to Miller AeroWave.
              ROI incredibly fast unless collecting dust.

              Dynasty Cons
              Higher intitial investment.
              Very light and portable, not theft deterrent.
              Friends will bug you to use your machine.
              Latest technology, learning curve required.

              Syncrowave. PROS
              Heavyweight tranny machine. Somewhat of a theft deterrent.


              Sync CONS
              Last memory only.
              Pulse only up to 10pps, virtually useless for high speed thin wall puddle agitation. Interferes with Autodark hood switching functions.
              Pulls 128 amps input power at full draw on AC welding. Twice that of Dynasty.
              Consumes more power than a Dynasty700.
              PFC is not included. PFC is available as an expensive option.
              Nothing welded, Nothing gained

              Miller Dynasty700DX
              3 ea. Miller Dynasty350DX
              Miller Dynasty200DX
              ThermalArc 400 GTSW
              MillerMatic350P
              MillerMatic200 with spoolgun
              MKCobraMig260
              Lincoln SP-170T
              Linde UCC305 (sold 2011)
              Hypertherm 1250
              Hypertherm 800
              PlasmaCam CNC cutter
              Fadal Toolroom CNC Mill
              SiberHegner CNC Mill
              2 ea. Bridgeport
              LeBlond 15" Lathe
              Haberle 18" Cold Saw
              Doringer 14" Cold Saw
              6 foot x 12 foot Mojave granite

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              • #8
                Originally posted by kvwall View Post
                I really like the duty cycle of the Syncrowave and the lower investment.
                If that's the case, you ought to take a look at some of the older stuff like a Miller 330A/BP.

                It goes up to 460A in DC TIG and 435A in AC TIG and to match its Duty Cycle capabilities, you would need a rotating pool of about 15 Dynasty 350s.

                You can also commonly buy one for less than $1000.

                Originally posted by shovelon View Post
                Syncrowave. PROS
                Heavyweight tranny machine. Somewhat of a theft deterrent.
                Just so I'm clear, you don't think having more than TRIPLE the duty cycle of the Dynasty is a "pro"?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by shovelon View Post
                  Dynasty. PROS
                  3 phase input current capable. Allows for 1/3rd power bill of tranny tigs.
                  Blue Lightning arc start. Set per tungsten size or custom configure start sequence.
                  Tungsten life is double of tranny tigs while welding alum.
                  Smaller tungstens required.
                  Smaller cups required when welding alum, consumes less gas.
                  Faster alum puddle formation. Uses less gas.
                  Faster alum travel speeds. Uses less gas and power per foot of welds.
                  Faster alum welding. Greater productivity per hour of welding. Higher profits.
                  John Marcella switched to Dynasty. Better control and prettier welds. Puts out video.
                  Up to 5000 pps pulse arc for high speed seam welds on Stainless or any other thin metals.
                  Better pulse puddle agitation of syncs annoying 10 pps. All are default and usable until altered slightly.
                  18 set and forget memory stations.
                  PFC included.
                  Default parameters are easy to understand and use right off.
                  Less dependence of Helium while welding thick alum.
                  Direct replacement to Miller AeroWave.
                  ROI incredibly fast unless collecting dust.

                  Dynasty Cons
                  Higher intitial investment.
                  Very light and portable, not theft deterrent.
                  Friends will bug you to use your machine.
                  Latest technology, learning curve required.

                  Syncrowave. PROS
                  Heavyweight tranny machine. Somewhat of a theft deterrent.


                  Sync CONS
                  Last memory only.
                  Pulse only up to 10pps, virtually useless for high speed thin wall puddle agitation. Interferes with Autodark hood switching functions.
                  Pulls 128 amps input power at full draw on AC welding. Twice that of Dynasty.
                  Consumes more power than a Dynasty700.
                  PFC is not included. PFC is available as an expensive option.
                  That's a TON of pros. You may have persuaded me in the Dynasty direction. Now I just need a good deal. You selling any used? I could drive down to LA to pick up.
                  Lincoln Vantage 400
                  Trailblazer® 302 Air Pak™

                  Miller Dynasty® 350
                  Millermatic 350P Aluminum
                  Millermatic® 252
                  Syncrowave 351
                  Lincoln LN-25 Pro

                  Multimatic™ 200

                  XR-Aluma Pro Gun
                  Diversion™ 180

                  Spectrum® 625 X-TREME™

                  Thermal Dynamics® Cutmaster® 52
                  Victor Oxy/Acetylene Set

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Helios View Post
                    If that's the case, you ought to take a look at some of the older stuff like a Miller 330A/BP.

                    It goes up to 460A in DC TIG and 435A in AC TIG and to match its Duty Cycle capabilities, you would need a rotating pool of about 15 Dynasty 350s.

                    You can also commonly buy one for less than $1000.



                    Just so I'm clear, you don't think having more than TRIPLE the duty cycle of the Dynasty is a "pro"?
                    Same duty cycle on 3 phase, but anyhow I got the Dynasty700. Wonder why they ashcanned the Syncrowave500?
                    Nothing welded, Nothing gained

                    Miller Dynasty700DX
                    3 ea. Miller Dynasty350DX
                    Miller Dynasty200DX
                    ThermalArc 400 GTSW
                    MillerMatic350P
                    MillerMatic200 with spoolgun
                    MKCobraMig260
                    Lincoln SP-170T
                    Linde UCC305 (sold 2011)
                    Hypertherm 1250
                    Hypertherm 800
                    PlasmaCam CNC cutter
                    Fadal Toolroom CNC Mill
                    SiberHegner CNC Mill
                    2 ea. Bridgeport
                    LeBlond 15" Lathe
                    Haberle 18" Cold Saw
                    Doringer 14" Cold Saw
                    6 foot x 12 foot Mojave granite

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by shovelon View Post
                      anyhow I got the Dynasty700
                      Holy cow, with 3-phase that gives 500A at 100% duty cycle. Now THAT'S a WELDER!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Helios View Post
                        Holy cow, with 3-phase that gives 500A at 100% duty cycle. Now THAT'S a WELDER!
                        Yes, and 600 amps at 60% duty cycle which is the best myself and my crew can keep up between welds and repositioning anyway. Sure does increase productivity in a big way. Keeps the utility bill in check also.

                        I will have to admit I purchased the 700 with the intent of dispensing with Helium altogether. It did not work out and it still wants some 5% to speed things up, otherwise I get a cold weld. With the cost of Helium going through the roof, I was hoping for a magical cure.
                        Nothing welded, Nothing gained

                        Miller Dynasty700DX
                        3 ea. Miller Dynasty350DX
                        Miller Dynasty200DX
                        ThermalArc 400 GTSW
                        MillerMatic350P
                        MillerMatic200 with spoolgun
                        MKCobraMig260
                        Lincoln SP-170T
                        Linde UCC305 (sold 2011)
                        Hypertherm 1250
                        Hypertherm 800
                        PlasmaCam CNC cutter
                        Fadal Toolroom CNC Mill
                        SiberHegner CNC Mill
                        2 ea. Bridgeport
                        LeBlond 15" Lathe
                        Haberle 18" Cold Saw
                        Doringer 14" Cold Saw
                        6 foot x 12 foot Mojave granite

                        Comment

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