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  • #76
    Originally posted by JSFAB View Post
    Bringing anybody's momma into a conversation on a welding board is comepletely going over the line.... In any case, anybody who deletes previous posts wholesale, like just happened here, is a weinie. I always thought any "real man" would be willing to say what he thought, say what he means, then stand by his words. I have never been a fan of Arnold (our late great ex-governer, a weinie himself), but he did have one good descriptive term that seems very appropriate right now ....... "girley men".


    Little boys tend to think they are all bad a$$. They also tend to think they are anonomous behind the keyboard.
    Girly man works well here.

    John

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    • #77
      weldinwelding continues on, he's seen it all, done it all, knows it all. He's an expert on robotic (got me there, I know nothing about robotic but I've done LARGE Komatsu boom repairs off of Komatsu prints that were big enough that we put a window air conditioner blowin into the boom and powered it off the light plant after we cut it apart, it was hot weather and a LOTof welding had to be done from the inside):

      http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...277#post307277


      he knows the bestest/smoothest welders ever made, after all he's coming up on three years on his own (never run an old DC generator I guess):

      http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...175#post307175


      And he knows all about 5p, what does that have to do with "heavy equipmet"? (shame on us for making xray pressure pipe welds with old 6010/7010/8010, if only he'd told me earlier : )):

      http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...172#post307172



      Oh, the humanity. He'll never go away, he's the bestest ever, ALMOST three years dude!
      5,773 views and counting.

      John

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      • #78
        vantage 300

        Originally posted by JTMcC View Post
        A Vantage 300 will put out about 400A all day every day for many years. A V400 will put out over 500A all day every day for many years.
        Those machines have industrial 4 cyl diesels that go well over 10,000 hrs before the first overhaul. Comparing them to a Trailblazer is just goofy.

        I'm not knocking trailblazers but you are talking about two completely different class' of equipment here just like a komatsu home tractor vs a caterpillar.

        Both Vantages will power your RV while welding 100% duty cycle at 385A and only need fuel every 3 days or so.

        J

        I'll add that the trailblazer guys will be here soon, telling you it'll do it all.
        My only take is that they aren't doing it 60+ hrs/week or they'd buy a bigger machine with a industrial diesel.
        I have air arc off a vantage 300 and i was not impressed with the amp outputs, vantage 400 another story. Also it is highly unlikely to get 10000 hrs out of a 22hp kubota. Also most are not running 60hrs a week on there welder, running at full output. Im a own my own heavy equipment repair business, and weld about 10 percent of the time, out of that 5 percent is over 200 amps. For someone to invest in a 10k welder then put it on an f550 is folish in my mind. If i do heavy welding most times it becomes a shop job, now keep in mind im not working on mining equipment, examples of my work would be d5-d7, 120-450 backhoes, skid steers, basic equipment in road construction, or land devlopment. No one in my area runs a vantage, or larger style welder on a service truck for heavy equipment repair simply to big, and not needed. If someone showed up on a jobsite with a vantage 400 but without a crane they would be kicked off before the vantage ever was started.

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        • #79
          [QUOTE=Tryagn5;307375]I have air arc off a vantage 300 and i was not impressed with the amp outputs, vantage 400 another story. Also it is highly unlikely to get 10000 hrs out of a 22hp kubota. Also most are not running 60hrs a week on there welder, running at full output. Im a own my own heavy equipment repair business, and weld about 10 percent of the time, out of that 5 percent is over 200 amps. For someone to invest in a 10k welder then put it on an f550 is folish in my mind. If i do heavy welding most times it becomes a shop job, now keep in mind im not working on mining equipment, examples of my work would be d5-d7, 120-450 backhoes, skid steers, basic equipment in road construction, or land devlopment. No one in my area runs a vantage, or larger style welder on a service truck for heavy equipment repair simply to big, and not needed. If someone showed up on a jobsite with a vantage 400 but without a crane they would be kicked off before the vantage ever was started.[/QUOTE



          It's a welding forum, if you rarely weld then maybe you should look for as "service truck" forum.
          Lot's of people are like you, but again, it's a welding forum and some of us weld a lot.

          Still comparing a tralblazer lawn mower engine machine to a heavy duty machine is just goofy.

          If you don't get 10,000 hrs out of a Vantage then you're doing something wrong. That might mean 100 years if you weld 10% of the time, lot's less for some of us.
          It's a welding forum. If you hardly weld why bother? There has to be a groovy service truck forum out there for you.

          J

          A "service truck" is just that.
          A "welding truck" is that. Simple really. But people who weld every now and then as a small part of their job, don't be telling full time welders what's the bestest and greatest. Because yours is not mine. I weld for a living, I don't repair equipment.
          Service truck dudes weld very little, and need a little welder. I weld all day, and I need what I need.
          Last edited by JTMcC; 05-07-2013, 07:09 PM.

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          • #80
            Heavy Equipmet Repair

            I don't know ****e bout welding and I've been welding since I was 9. I like all of the experience on this forum. Sometimes a lil hesitant to ask a dumbass question but I've got to get the answer. There is a wealth of knowledge in here and I'm tryin to absorb it all. Thanks to the guys under the hood.

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            • #81
              JTMc, No offence taken about the Trail Blazer comment, My Foreman has a Trail Blazer on his truck and they are great welders and do a great job at laying down the wire, we might run his 40 hrs a week but that is not very common, We also do alot of work in our shop so his rig might only go on 2 jobs a week so I understand what Tryagn5 is saying.

              I have a Pipe Pro 304 on my rig and it gets about 350 hrs a year on it.

              Like tomorrow I'll be at the old Ford Plant that Inergy took over, I have to do some Tig stainless on a Helium filled test chamber so I'll be using my Maxstar 150 STL.

              If I were just a portable welder without a shop than I could justify a bigger machine for his truck.

              I have a friend of mine that is a 798 Pipe liner and he would get lauphed off the job if he brought a Trail blazer or a Ranger to the job, They are not designed to run 40-50 hrs a week year after year like the big machines.

              The biggest thing that I hate about my Pipe Pro is that it screams when I get above 150 amps The new ones are 1800 rpm like the vantage.

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              • #82
                It's wierd how the PipePro's idle up/down/up/down.
                But the ones I've welded line pipe with were reeeeal nice machines, I could sure live with one.

                J

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Tryagn5 View Post
                  What size crane? What kind of body? I have a 2002 maintainer body, the body weights 3900lbs, the crane 6000lb 3126 weighs in at 2200 lbs, loaded up im at 17800. Also a vantage 300 hardly puts out more amps then a 302 trailblazer.
                  Kevin
                  Custom bed, 3205 Autocrane. I don't recall comparing amps, I just would rather haul a Vantage than gas cans.Name:  13ad2c95a314403243148f897f01155f.jpg
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                  • #84
                    ah now i see why so light!

                    [QUOTE=J hall;307397]Custom bed, 3205 Autocrane. I don't recall comparing amps, I just would rather haul a Vantage than

                    I will post a pic of my rig, but right now the bodies off and im prepping it to go on my f550. Whole reason for the switch to an f550 was for a heavier chassis, as this truck weighted 18k. Even my f550 with an 4000lb auto crane and light knapheide box is 16k! Also maybe i took it wrong but the orginal post was for heavy equipment repair, which is more then just welding. I started my business as welding only, and quickly found i would go broke if i only did welding, there is not enough work in welding alone to support my business. Also speaking from expirence i have never seen the small perkins or kubota ever make it past the 7,000 hr mark, unless they are run non stop ie in a reefer truck or water pump. They ware the bores out long before the time, normally they begin to consume oil around the 5 to 6k mark. Also the perkins is actually a shirbura diesel, open one up and the pistons even say it. With perfect maintance maybe, but it is a cheap diesel. Also i want to be clear that im not saying a tb302 is the same as a vantage 300. After using both i felt the vantage 300 did not seem to have much more amps than a tb302. Both were used for air arcing. Again i was not air arcing for 10hrs straight either, simply the vantage was a contractors welder and i wanted to try it.
                    Kevin

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Portable Welder View Post
                      JTMc, No offence taken about the Trail Blazer comment, My Foreman has a Trail Blazer on his truck and they are great welders and do a great job at laying down the wire, we might run his 40 hrs a week but that is not very common, We also do alot of work in our shop so his rig might only go on 2 jobs a week so I understand what Tryagn5 is saying.

                      I have a Pipe Pro 304 on my rig and it gets about 350 hrs a year on it.

                      Like tomorrow I'll be at the old Ford Plant that Inergy took over, I have to do some Tig stainless on a Helium filled test chamber so I'll be using my Maxstar 150 STL.

                      If I were just a portable welder without a shop than I could justify a bigger machine for his truck.

                      I have a friend of mine that is a 798 Pipe liner and he would get lauphed off the job if he brought a Trail blazer or a Ranger to the job, They are not designed to run 40-50 hrs a week year after year like the big machines.

                      The biggest thing that I hate about my Pipe Pro is that it screams when I get above 150 amps The new ones are 1800 rpm like the vantage.


                      I'm not knocking the trailblazers, they serve well in their area. So do the small Lincolns. I've seen the lawn mower engine Lincolns abused beyond any reasonable use. But they wear out a lot faster than bigger machines.
                      I understand that a lot of guys weld a little and do a lot of other stuff, and that weight matters on a service truck. Some of my best friends run service trucks.
                      But I don't, I run pure-D welding trucks so a bigger ind engine with higher oil/fuel capacity and a big honkey air filter really matter to me. Our machines get some stupid hours when we're hooked up, a lot of weeks are balls to the wall 7 days a week @ 12-16hrs per. I don't work year round but the hours pile up fast when we are gettin it. And I can run a few tons of large 232 and 311Ni wire if needed to keep the kids fed.

                      Bottom line is buy the machine that meets your needs. Right now that's one Vantage 400 and two SA-200's for me. Too heavy for some mechanic guys but just right for me : ) Just don't think like some of these fan boys do that a 2 cylinder air cooled machine will outlive a 3 or 4 cyl water cooled diesel, regardless of it's top output.
                      I own a 120V lincoln wire machine, don't use it much but when we have to fly in on a helicopter with all tools/material for small welding jobs it's my best choice. And it makes us money.

                      I could happily live with a PipePro in place of my Vantage. I can't say how much I've loved some PipePro's on big bore line pipe with large 8P+. But I love my Vantage just as much.

                      And I won't own a machine I have to fuel during the course of a long day. We don't use truck mounted booms so no weight problems here, we use fork trucks and cranes when needed.

                      J

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                      • #86
                        3yrs... full time on my own. That doesnt mean i have only been doing this for 3 yrs, and teenage bull****... no. I was just stating i have seen plenty of other businesses that have been around far longer and they dont have half the contracts or paid for equipment/shop that i have grown to in 3yrs. I have never been on the internet, and im sorry i got caught up on this bull****. I erased it cause it was crap, off subject, and didnt need others tapping into it. If yall wanna drag it along thats fine... i am out of this one. So leave my name out of your mouth unless you just like the taste.

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                        • #87
                          [QUOTE=JTMcC:307367]weldinwelding continues on, he's seen it all, done it all, knows it all. He's an expert on robotic (got me there, I know nothing about robotic but I've done LARGE Komatsu boom repairs off of Komatsu prints that were big enough that we put a window air conditioner blowin into the boom and powered it off the light plant after we cut it apart, it was hot weather and a LOTof welding had to be done from the inside):

                          http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...277#post307277


                          he knows the bestest/smoothest welders ever made, after all he's coming up on three years on his own (never run an old DC generator I guess):

                          http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...175#post307175


                          And he knows all about 5p, what does that have to do with "heavy equipmet"? (shame on us for making xray pressure pipe welds with old 6010/7010/8010, if only he'd told me earlier : )):

                          http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...172#post307172



                          Oh, the humanity. He'll never go away, he's the bestest ever, ALMOST three years dude!
                          5,773 views and counting.

                          John[/QU

                          You are very skilled at taking the time with my posts and making them say what their not meant to say.. kinda like a woman. Ive been welding far more than 3yrs. My kids been welding longer than that

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                          • #88
                            WeldonWelding, Like I said before, I'm sure you have some skill based on what I have seen and I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have in the future, You seem like an ambitiouse ( If I spelled that right ) young guy and its great to see that your doing the same thing I did at your age and I respect you for that.

                            We need more young guys like you.

                            In The future: You might want to select you comments a little more carefully.

                            Good Luck

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Portable Welder:307455
                              WeldonWelding, Like I said before, I'm sure you have some skill based on what I have seen and I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have in the future, You seem like an ambitiouse ( If I spelled that right ) young guy and its great to see that your doing the same thing I did at your age and I respect you for that.

                              We need more young guys like you.

                              In The future: You might want to select you comments a little more carefully.

                              Good Luck
                              Thanks. I just see how people can take my comment that I've been on my own full time for 3yrs and make it out like I've been welding only 3yrs. I have been welding over 15yrs and I'm really not that young...Lol. and I say that an aead is one of the best/smoothest welders ever made. That's just my opinion, and from what I've heard... a lot of others too. This post just went the wrong way and seems a lot of others do too... nothing but a big pizzing contest. I'm on here to give advice just as well as get advice. No matter.. it doesn't bother me too much. Most of it is a pretty good laugh at break time or at the end of the day.. then its back to work. Clock is still ticking.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Tryagn5 View Post
                                I will post a pic of my rig, but right now the bodies off and im prepping it to go on my f550. Whole reason for the switch to an f550 was for a heavier chassis, as this truck weighted 18k. Even my f550 with an 4000lb auto crane and light knapheide box is 16k! Also maybe i took it wrong but the orginal post was for heavy equipment repair, which is more then just welding. I started my business as welding only, and quickly found i would go broke if i only did welding, there is not enough work in welding alone to support my business. Also speaking from expirence i have never seen the small perkins or kubota ever make it past the 7,000 hr mark, unless they are run non stop ie in a reefer truck or water pump. They ware the bores out long before the time, normally they begin to consume oil around the 5 to 6k mark. Also the perkins is actually a shirbura diesel, open one up and the pistons even say it. With perfect maintance maybe, but it is a cheap diesel. Also i want to be clear that im not saying a tb302 is the same as a vantage 300. After using both i felt the vantage 300 did not seem to have much more amps than a tb302. Both were used for air arcing. Again i was not air arcing for 10hrs straight either, simply the vantage was a contractors welder and i wanted to try it.
                                Kevin
                                Part of the reason I did the 3500 crane was because it was half the weight.
                                What you saved in welding machine weight, I saved in crane weight.
                                Maintainer bodies are good, but heavy and expensive. two reasons why I built my own.
                                I want a good machine, air comp, and lots of tools and some parts, all in a small package.
                                I used to run a 400amp+ machine and no crane, but my needs changed, so I adapted. Then I went to a Ranger305, but couldn't tolerate the noise, carb icing, and general cold bloodedness. The little Kubota is way better in cool/cold weather.
                                I carry wrenches and sockets up to 2", porta power rams to 50 tons, and a load of other junk.

                                Post up a picture when you are back together.

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