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  • Cost of Used Welders - Realistic?

    I watch the Craigslist listings just for something to do as I'm pretty much a buy it new person. Are 20 & 30 year old welders really worth $2000 and more?

    Examples (Charlotte, NC):
    - Miller CP-302 mig/stick - $2500
    - Miller Welder dela 452w - $2800
    - Miller Deltaweld 450 - $2000
    - Miller Deltaweld 452/60 - $2500
    - Miller SYNCROWAVE 300 - $2500 (no pulse or meters version)

    Non-of these are even close to new. Lots of what I see is from the 1980/90s.

    Are these prices realistic? Seems everyone who posts these things think so. If they're finding buyers I guess they are I suppose.

    Just curious
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    Miller 211 MVP
    Hobart StickMate LX 235
    Lincoln AC 225
    CutMaster 42

  • #2
    Deltawelds are great machines. Used a 452 for years. If I had a need I would get one. Not sure on what they are worth though. FYI Deltawelds are 3-phase only.
    Last edited by MMW; 02-21-2013, 03:31 PM.
    MM250
    Trailblazer 250g
    22a feeder
    Lincoln ac/dc 225
    Victor O/A
    MM200 black face
    Whitney 30 ton hydraulic punch
    Lown 1/8x 36" power roller
    Arco roto-phase model M
    Vectrax 7x12 band saw
    Miller spectrum 875
    30a spoolgun w/wc-24
    Syncrowave 250
    RCCS-14

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    • #3
      Saw a Sync 300 awhile back in what looked like pristine condition for maybe $1,200. and I think it had some accessories.
      Miller stuff:
      Dialarc 250 (1974)
      Syncrowave 250 (1992)
      Spot welder (Dayton badged)

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      • #4
        Cp-302

        Originally posted by Thrutraffic View Post
        I watch the Craigslist listings just for something to do as I'm pretty much a buy it new person. Are 20 & 30 year old welders really worth $2000 and more?

        Examples (Charlotte, NC):
        - Miller CP-302 mig/stick - $2500
        - Miller Welder dela 452w - $2800
        - Miller Deltaweld 450 - $2000
        - Miller Deltaweld 452/60 - $2500
        - Miller SYNCROWAVE 300 - $2500 (no pulse or meters version)

        Non-of these are even close to new. Lots of what I see is from the 1980/90s.

        Are these prices realistic? Seems everyone who posts these things think so. If they're finding buyers I guess they are I suppose.

        Just curious
        CP-302 is a 3 phase machine and does not do stick. CV only.
        Good Luck,
        Bob
        Millermatic 252 w/30A
        Big Blue Air Pak
        Ellis 3000 Band Saw
        Trailblazer 302 Air Pak w/ Wireless Remote
        8-RC
        Dynasty 200 DX
        XMT 350 MPa w/S-74 MPa Plus
        Millermatic 211
        Passport Plus
        Spectrum 625 X-TREME
        Lincoln SA-200 Blue Tint Red Face '63
        2-Lincoln SA-200 Red Face '68
        SA-200 Black Face '59
        SA-200 Green Lite '84
        SA-200 Green Lite '80
        SA-200 Red Face '69
        SA-200 Red Face '66
        SA-200 Green Lite '81
        '70 Black Face Round Barrel

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        • #5
          High priced welders stay on the market

          Part of what you see here is that high priced welders tend to stay on the market for an extended period, because their owners are unwilling to lower the price to market value. If it is a good deal it will be on the market a very short time. I suspect that if you contacted those sellers, and then recontacted them a month later, the welders would not have sold, or would have sold at a lower price.

          As far as the Syncrowave, a lot depends on what comes with it, torch, cooler, etc.

          I am with you, however, that asking half of the new price for a 20 year old welder is not a good deal. I am more interested in relatively recent equipment, and I have done pretty well buying almost new welders off Craigslist. I do have an older inverter welder in the shed, but I only paid $500 for it.

          I wonder sometimes if the seller really wants to sell. If he was serious about selling it, he would lower the price until it sold, but some equipment seems to be on craigslist week after week, and the price never changes.

          A current production Syncrowave 250, probably fairly comparable to the 300, retails for under $4000 for just the power unit, or under $6000 for the power unit, cooler, and everything else you might want. On the internet you could get a new complete 250 for under $5000.

          The other thing that you don't know is whether the price shown is the asking price, or if it is firm. It may be that the $2500 Syncrowave could be bought for $2000 cash, especially if it has been on the market for a while. Based on some web searching, I think that $2000 is probably closer to market price. Is it worth $2000? Maybe, if it comes with everything and works well. Some people really need the 300 amps of output, but can't pay $5000.

          My two cents.

          Richard
          Syncrowave 200, Millermatic 211, Victor torch, Propane forge....

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          • #6
            Always good deal used. All my Miller welders were bought slightly used at great discounts. Just need to be patient and look around. Ebay has some good deals at times too.

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            • #7
              Those prices are double what they are actually worth.
              JIM

              Owner Operator of JNT Mobile Welding & Repair LLC
              Millermatic 350P Aluma Pro
              Dynasty 200DX
              Maxstar 150 STL
              Trailblazer 302
              Suitecase 12RC
              Extreme 12VS
              Extreme 8VS
              Spoolmatic 30A
              Miller HF251D-1
              Passport Plus
              Spoolmate 100
              Hypertherm Powermax 45 and 85
              Ingersoll Rand Engine Driven Compressor
              Dake 75 ton H-Frame Press
              JD Squared Model 32 Bender
              Miller Digital Elite

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              • #8
                Keep looking. Those prices are way too high.

                I just picked up a Milller Dialarc HF-P, which is a different class of machine than you're looking at, with 3 Victor flow meters w/ hoses, 2 water cooled TIG torches w/ hoses and a Miller foot pedal w/ all hookups for $753.00. The only thing I didn't get was the water cooler. I really didn't want to go that high, but since the machine was hardly ever used and was in great shape and that it also came with all the extras, I thought it was a fair deal.

                I do have another Dialarc without HF that I purchased in 2008, that came with 2 50 ft. sections of lead, for $200. It's been a great running and smooth welding machine.

                Now that I have the other one with HF I'm going to give the old one to my grandson who's 19 years old and learned to weld on this machine, when he was 12 years old.

                If I was going to sell the old machine, instead of giving it to my grandson, I would put a price of $300 to $350 on it and in the area where I live, it would be gone in a short time.

                Keep looking, sooner or later you'll find something with a lower price. There's good deals out there.
                Bill

                Miller Dialarc 250 AC/DC
                Miller 251
                Thermodynamics Plasma arc
                Benard "Center Fire" wirefeed gun
                Miller alum. spool gun
                Tweco Tig torch
                Victor O/A torches
                B&D Wildcat 9" grinder
                DeWalt 10 amp 4-1/2" grinders
                7"x12" bandsaw

                A shop that's always going to be to small.

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                • #9
                  Someone wants to give me 2500 (maybe less) for a 300 synch I will have it up on the forklift in about 10 minutes.

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                  • #10
                    :-)
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                    Miller 211 MVP
                    Hobart StickMate LX 235
                    Lincoln AC 225
                    CutMaster 42

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                    • #11
                      Almost new Syncrowave 250 for $2800

                      To show you how overpriced it is, I noticed what looks like a brand new Syncrowave 250, with lots of accessories, with pulse, ready to weld, but no cooler, for $2800.

                      http://cosprings.craigslist.org/for/3629393014.html

                      This would actually be a pretty good deal. I was tempted, but I don't need that much power. That is the kind of welder I like to buy used, almost new, current production model, etc.

                      Here is a deltaweld 452 with feeder and cart for $1800.

                      http://cosprings.craigslist.org/tls/3511895499.html

                      A decent tool for searching craigslist is something called Search Tempest. You put in your zip code and the search radius and it will turn up whatever is in that area, lets you search lots of different craigslists in different cities very quickly. One way to get comparable prices.

                      Richard
                      Syncrowave 200, Millermatic 211, Victor torch, Propane forge....

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                      • #12
                        Got our old Syncro 250 (nice shape) with no stick leads and a piece of a TIG torch for $850. Couldn't test it on site but we knew where he lived. Nice unit, works just fine.
                        Miller stuff:
                        Dialarc 250 (1974)
                        Syncrowave 250 (1992)
                        Spot welder (Dayton badged)

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