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  • Mig welding is proving to be a bit tricky for me never welding before.

    Well I finally been able to fire up the new MM211. I have to say its a little tricky. I been watching instructional videos and reading books. But, I guess nothing can teach you to weld like actual welding time.

    I am curious if anyone has some good videos or how to vids. I have watched many. I read the info on the miller owners club information. I did watch alot of the welding tips and tricks, and alot of others. I think I might have to take a class or classes. Thing is I am going to be moving soon and not sure exactly what county I am going to end up in.

    I would appreciate any pointers. I saw one series of two videos mig and advanced mig welding from what looks like a welding instructer he said take two pieces of round stock so that way its easier to get used to the heat managment and not having to worry as much of a steady hand. He said you can almost ride the nozzle on the top since your welding kind of down in the middle of the two round pieces. I am not sure if i am explaining that right, but it did seem to make some sense.

    Also the auto adjust helmet I got. Its a lincoln was on sale for 160 originally like 185.00 seems like a nice helmet has 4 sensors, but let me ask for mig welding How dark does it need to be its 9-13? when I fired my first kind of weld man that thing blacked out I thought i blew the power. I was like wtf then realised its the auto adjust. I think I have it set to sensative and to dark cause I am having a really hard time seeing it at all. I think its the lincoln viking, I can get the exact name but seems like a nice helmet. I didnt get one with graphics its just black. It did come with some stickers but I didnt put any on. Cause since I got a miller I would have prefered I went with a miller helmet so anyhow thats why I just leave it black.


    Thanks In advance this forum and site has been really helpful.


    Pat M AKA PMAC

  • #2
    Do yourseld a favor and go out and purchase a cheap halogen light tower from one of the big box stores and have it focused on the welding area. The light will have you seeing your weld puddle in no time. Once you have the light, you can work on technique.

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    • #3
      Hey Pat!

      Glad you got some burn time on the new welder. I vary the shade of my hood depending on what process and amperage I'm welding. If I start seeing spots I darken up the shade a bit. I try to keep the lens as light as possible so I can see everything going on.

      In the past when I got a new welder or was learning a different process I would just get a big scrap (but relatively clean) piece of plate. 1/4" or 1/8" and then start putting beads across the metal until i was happy. Once I was happy I would start gluing metal together. TAke some pictures of your welds and post them up here and we can give some better advice. Also, when do that give some details like: voltage, wfs, wire size, wire type, gas or no gas (and what kind), and metal size and thickness.

      Are you using the autoset feature? I am not a fan of that way to setup the voltage and wfs. Have you spent a good deal of time running beads? I get out to the shop to weld at every chance I get. It helps to keep me sharp.

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      • #4
        Also, light is key! Get as much light onto your workpiece as you can. It will help to see the puddle and learn to control it.

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        • #5
          I have the same hood. I set it between 10 and 12 but never below 10. When I am welding with a mig, I like to get my face as close to the weld as I can, about 12-16 inches away. You want to set the hood so that all you can see is the area where the weld is taking place.The darkness that you experience in the hood will become second nature to you once you become more experienced. Make sure you are breathing while you are welding and the most important part is to be relaxed and patient.

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          • #6
            Mig welding is proving to be a bit tricky for me never welding before.

            Like elvis said, adjust your hood so you can see and not so much that you see spots. I'm 47 years old and use shade 9 to 10, works for me. Sensitivity doesn't change how dark it goes.
            As far as a bright light, that only helps seeing before you strike your arc. lol. Welding arc is very bright.
            If you have Vision problems in General don't be too Embarrassed to use cheater lenses or reading glasses under the hood

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            • #7
              You might update your user CP with your location. you may be able to find a local guy that can show you the ropes (a lot easier for someone who knows to find faults in your set up that you will fight for a long time until you figure out).

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              • #8
                Thank YOU!

                Ya I can see the Light set up. I will get one asap. Like the one posted with the two lights.

                I really appreciate all the info. Ya I will start just running beads on a piece of metal

                I was using 1/8 metal and wire speed was 60 voltage on 6 to high end of 6 I tried a few different speeds for the wire. It seemed the wire was comming out a bit fast so i did turn it down a notch.

                I will also update my profile I am in Pittsburgh, PA. God I would really appreciate some instruction. It would be like a dream come true.

                I really appreciate all the info you guys have given me, I mean honestly I can't even begin to tell you how helpful everyone has been.

                I am also glad I got the good American Made Millermatic 211. It was a little more than i thought i wanted to spend but it is an awesome machine for me so far.

                I am embarressed to show the welds I have tried so far. Looks like a dam monkey did it.

                Also thanks to the reply about the helmet. It was wild, first weld it blacked out I thought All the lights went out I was like WTH I blew a breaker. Then after the weld it was bright again, I realised what was going on. I did get some nice metal off a guy off craigslist for 45 bucks he hooked me up with lots of different sizes and types like square tube. flat piece I didnt want to waste the square tubing cause it would be enough to make a cart, but I am so far from making a cart. I am actually considering just buying one. But I suppose in time I will get the hang of it.

                Thanks again to all of you! I really really appreciate it!

                Ohh and I was using the .30 hobart wire that came with the mm211 on 1/8 metal. With 75/25 argon/co2 at a hair above 20 on the gauge.


                Pat M
                Last edited by pmac; 01-13-2013, 10:16 PM.

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                • #9
                  Pat,

                  Glad you got to fire it up. Post the pictures - it'll help everyone's feedback - and it IS a journey. To do it right and do it well - and takes time. I have a long road ahead as a noob but thanks to this forum it's a little smoother. Any meathead can buy a machine and melt something together - but to to get it correctly fused, structurally sound and looking respectable......that's craftsmanship.

                  Post some pics.....

                  j

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                  • #10
                    Hey Pat-

                    Another thing that might help. Before you drop your hood and actually weld, do a couple dry runs to make sure everything lines up. While your practicing watch your stickout and your tip control. I would assume you are learning in the flat position. I like to travel with circles or cursive e's when I'm in the flat position. It is important to be relaxed before you start welding.

                    Have you familiarized yourself with the machine? Do you have any questions about gas flow, machine setup, wire size/type?

                    Also, i just built a welding table. I have no idea why I didn't do that years ago. What an awesome addition to my shop!

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                    • #11
                      I HAVE MY 211 ON THIS CART

                      50.00 BUX YOU CAN'T BEAT IT.

                      http://www.harborfreight.com/welding-cart-90305.html

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jfk92 View Post
                        Pat,

                        Glad you got to fire it up. Post the pictures - it'll help everyone's feedback - and it IS a journey. To do it right and do it well - and takes time. I have a long road ahead as a noob but thanks to this forum it's a little smoother. Any meathead can buy a machine and melt something together - but to to get it correctly fused, structurally sound and looking respectable......that's craftsmanship.

                        Post some pics.....

                        j

                        The welds I have done you honestly would think a blind man did them. I was not comfertable at all as far as positioning. I had to get everything set up by the time i started I was almost burnt out. Next ones I do I will just do across a piece of nice metal then post them.

                        Thanks so much!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Broccoli1 View Post
                          I HAVE MY 211 ON THIS CART

                          50.00 BUX YOU CAN'T BEAT IT.

                          http://www.harborfreight.com/welding-cart-90305.html


                          You know i planned on building a cart and table, but since I am having a hard time. I was telling my gf of 13 years I better just buy a cheap cart. So I think I am going to jump on that. Thing is I have a mm211 and a 125 cu ft tank will it hold the tank and all?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by elvis View Post
                            Hey Pat-

                            Another thing that might help. Before you drop your hood and actually weld, do a couple dry runs to make sure everything lines up. While your practicing watch your stickout and your tip control. I would assume you are learning in the flat position. I like to travel with circles or cursive e's when I'm in the flat position. It is important to be relaxed before you start welding.

                            Have you familiarized yourself with the machine? Do you have any questions about gas flow, machine setup, wire size/type?

                            Also, i just built a welding table. I have no idea why I didn't do that years ago. What an awesome addition to my shop!
                            Sounds good I will give that a try. You know I was so unfomfertable when i started. I had to set up a make shift table it was very hard to get things clamped down etc. I seem to have got a good feel for the machine itself as far as what is what, I FINALLY was able to get the wire in without it rats nested like it did the first time i tried WOW was that a mess LOL! It was like nothing i have seen before it unravelled so fast I was stunned LOL! It took my about 45 minutes to get it back on the spool. I think the gas flow I had it set at 20 I am not sure if that is 20 cfm or what it is without looking. I did turn it up just a hair over 20 cause it seemed like i wasnt getting enough with bad torch angle and hieght. Right now I only have the .30 wire. So yes I do have a question what 10 lb spools would be best for me to get at this point?

                            I was just using the wire that came with the machine, but need to go pickup some 10 lb ers. I need a cleaner wire brush too the one I have is crappy no biggie they ae cheap. I went off the specs on the inside of the chart on the machine. ANd it said for what i was doing to use 60 wire speed it seemed a bit fast so i turned it down a hair, and the heat up just a hair on the 6 I was like on the lower end of 6 at first and didnt hear the nice sizzle but when i turned it up just a bit like i said just higher end of the 6. I did get a nice sizzle. But a very ugly looking weld. It did hold the two small pieces together but man it was ugly really really ugly. I could see my torch speed was all over the place, to fast to slow to I was trying the like back and forth or side to side. I am just going to practice a few runs on some metal not trying to fuse anything just getting more familier.

                            But again i was in a very undomfertalbe position, I used a stand for a table saw that I have and it was to low I was all bent over and it just felt wrong. SO i will try to clear up some of them problems. Also by the time i got everything set up lifting the welder up on to a stationary stand, moving the 125 cu ft tank getting the tools ready etc etc in fact I was sweaty and had to cool off a bit before i could even fire the machine up.

                            BUt I will get some pics of my next practice job. ASAP!


                            Thanks again,

                            I would feel defeated without these boards!

                            Pat M

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                            • #15
                              When people are learning around me I always stress comfort, comfort, comfort! You have plenty of time to weld in weird, contorted ways. Get good at welding in a comfortable position. I've been using up the rest of some HTP er70s6 that came with my 251. It seems fine. A lot of people seem to like L-56 from lincoln. you could buy a couple small 2# spools and see what works best then start buying it in 10# spools.

                              The settings on the panel of the machine are usually a good starting point. I've got one of those MIG sliding calculators from Miller and it seems to work great. But my machine will tell me actual welding volts and WFS with relative accuracy. I don't have the mystery knobs that you do. I have used the 175's with mystery knobs and after a day or two I didn't even read the chart. I would adjust and go and was usually in the ballpark making only minor adjustments. That will come with time!

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