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  • pmac
    started a topic Looking to buy a welder and learn how to weld

    Looking to buy a welder and learn how to weld

    Hello,

    I have been wanting to learn to weld for a pretty long time now and for one reason or another I never did.

    I have a few questions. I would someday like to be able to build a 6x10 utility trailer, but am no where expienced to do that now. So I guess my first question is, what would be a good welder to start with that would allow me to one day build a utility trailer?

    I am a carpenter by trade, with light electrical and plumbing experience, mainly installing kitchens and bathrooms. I do mostly finish carpentry now.

    I would really like to learn to weld, but i dont want to buy just a junko welder. I would like something I could kinda grow into but not over doing it. I have put some money aside to buy some equiptment for this. I have read some books, and watched countless how to videos.

    I have so many questions, and would really like to start asap.

    Should I start with a mig welder or just maybe an ac/dc stick welder?
    Should I look for a used welder as compared to a new one?

    Only thing about a used one, is since I dont know to much about it I would hate to buy junk. I do want to stay with a miller, or name brand.


    If someone would teach me I would even work for them for free just to gain the experience.


    Any info would be greatly appreciated.


    Thank you.
    Last edited by pmac; 12-11-2012, 03:58 PM.

  • pmac
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    Originally posted by bbraman View Post
    Just like most of us, you have been burned by the old "you get what you pay for " there are some great used welders out there.
    But please do your self a favor, at least by a new 140 autoset or 180 autoset. I started with the 180 great machine! Had a spoolgun, learned on that machine. You can build a trailer with the 180 no problem, and just about anything you want! Try to stay away from the stuff they sell at box store's there is a reason you don't see any Blue machines at those places!!!
    Just my option, but most of us started where you are and we learned the hard way.
    You won't regret it!!
    I ordered the MM 211.

    Thanks for response I really do appreciate all that have given me input.


    Thanks again.

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  • bbraman
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    Looking to buy a welder and learn how to weld

    Just like most of us, you have been burned by the old "you get what you pay for " there are some great used welders out there.
    But please do your self a favor, at least by a new 140 autoset or 180 autoset. I started with the 180 great machine! Had a spoolgun, learned on that machine. You can build a trailer with the 180 no problem, and just about anything you want! Try to stay away from the stuff they sell at box store's there is a reason you don't see any Blue machines at those places!!!
    Just my option, but most of us started where you are and we learned the hard way.
    You won't regret it!!

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  • Fireman
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    Originally posted by pmac View Post
    Ya I dealt with that with carpentry tools. Always got good stuff. I was just trying to get a welder i could start learning with.

    But I guess I will save up and get the MM211

    It just seems like alot of money to learn on. But At least it will still be good once I do learn. I certianly would like to find a good used one, Or a factory refurb.
    I would save the money and buy the HH 210MVP. Less electronics and a $150 or so cheaper than the 211. Its miller technology also.......Just saying..........

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  • pmac
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    Originally posted by jmpgino View Post
    I forgot to mention something else. Do not buy rubbish tools ever, I have a friend who purchased an electric drill for something like $30, it blew up after half a dozen screws. You get what you pay for. I have never had a good tool fail on me yet.
    I have three Hasselblad cameras, one of them cost me $14000.00 and none have ever failed, the oldest I purchased in 1983. I have two Leica cameras and again never failed me.
    Plastic Nikon cameras, I have three and all three have failed. My Miller stuff is the same quality as my Swedish and German cameras.
    What I am trying to say is, do not skimp on quality, what you pay now will in a few years of use seem like nothing. The new Hasselblads are about $45000.00 when I paid the $14000.00 I had to take a deep breath...........so take a deep breath and get the 211.
    Ya I dealt with that with carpentry tools. Always got good stuff. I was just trying to get a welder i could start learning with.

    But I guess I will save up and get the MM211

    It just seems like alot of money to learn on. But At least it will still be good once I do learn. I certianly would like to find a good used one, Or a factory refurb.

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  • jmpgino
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    I forgot to mention something else. Do not buy rubbish tools ever, I have a friend who purchased an electric drill for something like $30, it blew up after half a dozen screws. You get what you pay for. I have never had a good tool fail on me yet.
    I have three Hasselblad cameras, one of them cost me $14000.00 and none have ever failed, the oldest I purchased in 1983. I have two Leica cameras and again never failed me.
    Plastic Nikon cameras, I have three and all three have failed. My Miller stuff is the same quality as my Swedish and German cameras.
    What I am trying to say is, do not skimp on quality, what you pay now will in a few years of use seem like nothing. The new Hasselblads are about $45000.00 when I paid the $14000.00 I had to take a deep breath...........so take a deep breath and get the 211.

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  • jmpgino
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    The 211 is a very good welder. I am luck enough to have three Millers a Dynasty 200DX, CST 280 and the 211. I could probably do 90% of what I play around with using the 211. I have built a Utility trailer, using flux core, steel and wood tables using S Bronze and on and on.........great machine a little heavy when a full roll of S bronze is in it, I am getting old now, so I notice the weight more now. Get a 211 and you will honestly love it.

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  • pmac
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    Originally posted by jfk92 View Post
    pmac,

    you resonate my situation - except that I posted something similar spring of this year - my local voc school has a hobby class as intro to welding - a workshop atmosphere where you can learn ANY method - I did MIG for one night - then Stick for a little more than about a 1/2 of the classes and have been working on TIG since with next week being my last class. Craigslist is your friend (along with THIS forum and the weldingtipsandtricks.com site). I bought a used Thunderbolt 225 AC/DC as a stick machine of CL and just recently acquired a MM211. My future goal is to get the stinger and another bottle set up for a scratch start TIG - point is - get into a hobby class with an instructor to start. Then use CL to get some equipment (or buy new if you have the $) - then as EVERYone states and states again and again for completely valid reasons - get time burning metal .....good luck.
    Ya the burn time is why I am so eager to get a welder asap. I have a guy from craigslist selling the lincoln weldpak 155 used for 300 bucks. Being that I dont know much about them other than they condition. It looks to be in good condition. He sent me 6 pictures of it or so. But it is 220, and the hobart 140 is regular 110 house line 20 amp circuit.

    So far this is the toughest thing I ever wanted to buy LOL, but it is all in a good way. The guy with the brand new lincoln 180 for 400 never responded. I would much rather get something brand new. But I dont want something too too cheap. OhHHHh decisions decisions.

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  • Broccoli1
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    Originally posted by pmac View Post
    I am in Pittsburgh, PA.

    I am considering a used one, but since i dont know to much about it. I dont want to get shafted. I guess in the end I will get a smaller welder and as I learn just move up to the one i really want/need.

    Its tough i been looking at so many. I just want one that I will be able to learn on good. I would like to get the best one I can buy but dont want to put out like 1000 bucks just for a welder right off the bat. SO its been very stressful.
    I would contact this guy and find out where he got his HH190

    http://www.hobartwelders.com/weldtal...ler-140-or-190

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  • pmac
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    Originally posted by go2building View Post
    Look for a use one. Lots of people get a base model welder,to get into hobby welding, then find out its an expensive hobby and sell it.
    Kevin
    I was looking at some, I have a guy sending me pics of a lincoln weld pak 150 or 155 something like that, he will be sening pics tomorrow. But I think i will just try to get one to get started and when I get good enough just move up to a better one. But that could all change by tomorrow or even later this evening. Its been rough looking at so many with so many different specs etc.

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  • pmac
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    Originally posted by Broccoli1 View Post
    Where are you located?

    used is always an option also
    I am in Pittsburgh, PA.

    I am considering a used one, but since i dont know to much about it. I dont want to get shafted. I guess in the end I will get a smaller welder and as I learn just move up to the one i really want/need.

    Its tough i been looking at so many. I just want one that I will be able to learn on good. I would like to get the best one I can buy but dont want to put out like 1000 bucks just for a welder right off the bat. SO its been very stressful.
    Last edited by pmac; 12-12-2012, 08:21 PM.

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  • go2building
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    Looking to buy a welder and learn how to weld

    Look for a use one. Lots of people get a base model welder,to get into hobby welding, then find out its an expensive hobby and sell it.
    Kevin

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  • Broccoli1
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    Where are you located?

    used is always an option also

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  • pmac
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    Thank You!

    Thanks everyone! Got lots of good information.


    I been pondering a community collage class. I guess in reality its alot different than computer science which i studied there. For that, it was best to actually learn at home on a computer. The teacher just basically told us what chapters to read, and then handed out tests. For those eager for that there was much more to learn on your own with your computer, with forums and such, back then youtube wasnt around, so that was kind of my hesitation. I figured I could read, watch practice, read practice practice and just keep on welding or practice welding on anything or ever piece of scrap i could find as well as a cart for a welder and nice table even a stand for a grinder. One thing I do have is fitting and using a tape measure very well being a finish carpenter. But it seems that maybe Its time to reconsider and take the class or even classes. I still need to get a welder to start toying with and practice practice practice, but with a class I would have instruction and someone to run things by to assure that what I am doing is actually right!

    I really do appreciate all the input. Thank you to all that replied. That MM211 Sounds like an awesome machine and I was looking it over. I just wish it was a hair cheaper to get started. I want to get something asap. Just so I can start getting a feel for it.

    Thank You again EVERYONE,


    Pat M aka PMAC

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  • kvwall
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    MM211. I do a lot of trailer repairs and modifications with it. Pushed it passed the duty cycle last weekend with no problems. Decent price too.

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