Miller Electric

Welding Discussion Forums

Home » Resources » Communities » Welding Discussion Forums

The forum is currently undergoing maintenance and is in a 'read-only' mode for the time being. Sorry for the inconvenience.


  • If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Announcement

Announcement Module
Collapse
No announcement yet.

union advice

Page Title Module
Move Remove Collapse
X
Conversation Detail Module
Collapse
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #16
    Keep in mind that some union locals are "hiring halls" and some are not. Depends on the trade and local agreements. For instance, if my company needs to hire a heavy equipment operator (operating engineer), we call the local hall(150), and request an operator for said piece of equipment. The hall dispatches the first available guy on the list. We have no say in who they send us and hope that the guy is a competent operator.

    Other tades around here like carpenters/laborers , we can hire the ones we want without going through the hall. Obviously, you can interview a prospective employee for your own good.

    The hiring halls, like the operators, have more control over their rank and file. Most of the time, we get a decent guy. But all it takes is one guy out of 10-15 to screww things up.

    Comment


    • #17
      Yes, lots of local contractors use the same men, I know several Ironworker's work for the same outfits for years. They need extra they hire thru the hall or when big outfit moves in on a job thats how its manned. When I was out of town I really wanted to work, like the OT, etc and a good place to fit for me as well as easy top get sent to was big out of town contractors, American Bridge, etc. It was routine for them to be turning over manpower and local hands that were worth a **** or other wise employed wanted something easier than these guys.
      Big ole tools, heavy, giant size, rolls of lead, heavy planks, chokers, you name it the stuff was over size, hanging from a girt somewhere with 200 ft of lead. The speed and ferocity in which they operate isn't for everyone, ha and its hard to go a week without some breath taking deal. Work is a competitive sport.

      Comment


      • #18
        Innersheild baby,,, can anyone run this machine, you betcha, like 7018 on steroids.

        Comment


        • #19
          You have gotten some good advice here and quite a bit of bullsh1t too. I have belonged to the United Auto Workers, the United Mine Workers and have been a member of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers for the last 21 years.

          I've worked non-union jobs before and as was said one company I worked for treated the workers fairly well and with respect. Most don't. Especially in times like this they will just look at you and tell you that if you don't like it they've got a hundred guys just waiting to take your job. Without a union what do you do?

          Do your research; ask questions of members and get in touch with the local halls. Check out the websites for the Boilermakers (http://www.boilermakers.org), the Pipefitters, the Ironworkers, the Sheetmetal workers and the Electricians even have a few welders.

          Remember there is a difference between the trade unions and shop unions in the way things are done but one thing is constant..........you will pay union dues. I have never griped about paying mine because I know what the union has done for me. Is a union perfect or one big happy family all the time? NO! But just consider this, the United States is a union and together the people have benefited far more than they would have by each going their separate ways. There are disagreements about some things but we all stick together. United we bargain, divided we beg.

          One more thing. The comment by flukecej;

          You are then held hostage by the union if someone gets bent out of shape and says "Lets Strike!"
          is a thing of the past. Wildcats haven't happened since the early 1980's. It's pretty rare to have a strike at contract time unless that is the last resort.

          Good luck, Bob.

          Comment


          • #20
            Originally posted by Bob the Welder View Post
            .... Check out the websites for the Boilermakers (http://www.boilermakers.org), the Pipefitters, the Ironworkers, the Sheetmetal workers and the Electricians even have a few welders.
            ...
            No love for the Millwrights?!
            UBC Intl

            Comment


            • #21
              Sorry, I got in a hurry! I've got a couple of buddies in the Millwrights, didn't mean to give them the short end of the stick!

              Comment


              • #22
                Originally posted by Bob the Welder View Post
                You have gotten some good advice here and quite a bit of bullsh1t too. I have belonged to the United Auto Workers, the United Mine Workers and have been a member of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers for the last 21 years.

                I've worked non-union jobs before and as was said one company I worked for treated the workers fairly well and with respect. Most don't. Especially in times like this they will just look at you and tell you that if you don't like it they've got a hundred guys just waiting to take your job. Without a union what do you do?

                Do your research; ask questions of members and get in touch with the local halls. Check out the websites for the Boilermakers (http://www.boilermakers.org), the Pipefitters, the Ironworkers, the Sheetmetal workers and the Electricians even have a few welders.

                Remember there is a difference between the trade unions and shop unions in the way things are done but one thing is constant..........you will pay union dues. I have never griped about paying mine because I know what the union has done for me. Is a union perfect or one big happy family all the time? NO! But just consider this, the United States is a union and together the people have benefited far more than they would have by each going their separate ways. There are disagreements about some things but we all stick together. United we bargain, divided we beg.

                One more thing. The comment by flukecej;



                is a thing of the past. Wildcats haven't happened since the early 1980's. It's pretty rare to have a strike at contract time unless that is the last resort.Good luck, Bob.
                Well...we'ver had two large work stoppages/strikes over the last two summers. Ironworkers and teamsters, then the operating engineers this past summer. Problem here in NW Indiana is that the majority of the ironworkers and operators are working in the mills & BP under Nat'l maintenance contract but still voted to strike. Gutless in a way, as THEY keep working while their brothers on Highway and Building trades contracts are out of work. And work has been on the slow side last 3-4 years around here. I had a lot of my tradesmen telling me how pissed they were to out of work. So, just be aware of the reality of the situation.

                Comment


                • #23
                  Originally posted by Bob the Welder View Post
                  Sorry, I got in a hurry! I've got a couple of buddies in the Millwrights, didn't mean to give them the short end of the stick!
                  no love for steamfitters

                  Comment


                  • #24
                    By dunes;

                    Well...we'ver had two large work stoppages/strikes over the last two summers. Ironworkers and teamsters, then the operating engineers this past summer. Problem here in NW Indiana is that the majority of the ironworkers and operators are working in the mills & BP under Nat'l maintenance contract but still voted to strike. Gutless in a way, as THEY keep working while their brothers on Highway and Building trades contracts are out of work. And work has been on the slow side last 3-4 years around here. I had a lot of my tradesmen telling me how pissed they were to out of work. So, just be aware of the reality of the situation.
                    Was this a strike for a better (new) contract or a "wildcat" which is an unauthorized strike, usually but not necessarily limited to a grievance?

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      By metalworksinc;

                      no love for steamfitters
                      Pretty sure they're part of the UA so they would be included in the Pipefitters, at least around here. Yeah, I've got a soft spot for all my Brothers.

                      Comment


                      • #26
                        Smwia member 21yrs LU17 Boston.Been a good to me so far.

                        Comment


                        • #27
                          UNITED BROTHERHOOD OF CARPENTERS AND JOINERS OF AMERICA LU#13

                          23 years and counting.

                          Comment


                          • #28
                            stay the **** away from unions

                            i repeat stay the **** away from unions

                            Comment


                            • #29
                              Originally posted by TheBamBam27 View Post
                              i repeat stay the **** away from unions
                              hi,MERRY CHRISTMAS ! Well, as far as unions go I just retired from pipefitting and MY UNION PENSION is almost $4000.00 a month. Some current NONUNION welders do not make that a month today. Granted times are changing and work is there.I took advantage of education and was never out of work and I worked local within a average of 40 minute drive and made good money.I don't know what non union companies offer today but from what has been posted on this site it doesn't sound good. Especially from a safety and health issue.
                              My dad was nonunion and always worked but at times was treated like s##t. He knew his business and left employers that were like that. The last employer {nonunion] appreciated my dads talent and abilities and paid him well. He retired and that boss took good care of him.
                              Its up to each individual on choice of employment and locations. Some states may be better than others. All I know is that my Union Employers appreciated me and always was paid over scale and was never out of work . No matter which way you go, you must sell yourself! Be the best at what you do and the more you know the better employment will be. Good luck, BOB

                              Comment


                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Bob the Welder View Post
                                By dunes;



                                Was this a strike for a better (new) contract or a "wildcat" which is an unauthorized strike, usually but not necessarily limited to a grievance?
                                'd


                                If you choose to picket a job that you are signatory to a Project Labor Agreement on, I'd say if it's not a wildcat strike, it's a poor choice. Especially when all the other trades were working every day crossing the OE's pickets lines. Operators alsopulled a picket on material at one of my jobs about 4 years ago. Quit work at 9:00am, no notice...that a wildcat.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X
                                Special Offers: See the latest Miller deals and promotions.