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    I recently acquired a Suitcase 12 RC wirefeeder to use on my XMT 304.

    Looking at the available extension cords, I came up with a question.

    Miller recommends the use of extension cord part # 122 973 (25' length). This cord is not "fully populated" but includes the pins necessary to feed the 12RC from the XMT 304.

    Miller also offers an extension cord, part # 043 725 (25' length) which is a fully populated (all 14 pins are used).

    Other than initial cost (fully populated cord is higher), is there some other disadvantage to using the fully populated cord to connect the two units?

    Does anyone see a problem, if at a later date, I wanted to add the 122 973 cord to the fully populated cord to gain an additional separation of 25' (50' total)?

    Comments appreciated.
    Syncrowave 250 DX Tigrunner
    Dynasty 200 DX
    Miller XMT 304 w/714D Feeder & Optima Control
    Miller MM 251 w/Q300 & 30A SG
    Hobart HH187
    Dialarc 250 AC/DC
    Hypertherm PM 600 & 1250
    Wilton 7"x12" bandsaw
    PC Dry Cut Saw, Dewalt Chop Saw
    Milwaukee 8" Metal Cut Saw, Milwaukee Portaband.
    Thermco and Smith (2) Gas Mixers
    More grinders than hands

  • #2
    Not really, I just use a quality 16/8 SOOW cable when building them.

    And its less than $75 to build
    Last edited by cruizer; 04-07-2010, 11:18 AM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by cruizer View Post
      Not really, I just use a quality 16/8 SOOW cable when building them.

      And its less than $75 to build
      Where abouts do you order that cable from ??

      Railmen
      2007 Trailblazer 302G
      2004 Invision 354MP
      1999 60 series feeder
      2005 Maxstar 200DX
      2007 CST280
      1999 HF 251-1
      older Hobart hefty wire feeder
      Hyperthrem 600
      Maxstar 150S(such a cute welder)
      had and sold........
      2003 XMT 304CC/CV
      1947 Lincoln SA200G short hood
      1963 Lincoln SA200G
      1975 Lincoln SA200G(best machine ever had )
      1970's Lincoln SAE400G
      2 Maxstar's 200DX's
      1 Maxstar 200SD
      CST 280
      2 CST 250
      MM130


      Railmen

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      • #4
        SundownIII, there are NO disadvantages to using the full cord, except for the cost. The advantage, of course, is the full cord can be used for any accessory Miller offers, later on down the road, if you need it someday. The accessory you are using now, the 12RC, will only have connections in it's own amphenol that it actually uses, all the other pins in the extension cord are essentially going into "dead end" holes.

        That all being said, if you just plan to make this a dedicated hookup, I'd just buy the the cord needed for the purpose.

        I've made/repaired my own before; unless you have a cheap source of amphenol connectors, and you were going to save more than $50, it's not worth it dealing with all those little frickin' wires and prongs. Check with Cruiser on this, he's mentioned before alternative sources for the parts.
        Obviously, I'm just a hack-artist, you shouldn't be listening to anything I say .....

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        • #5
          50 footer for $189 + shipping

          http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT
          Millermatic Passport Plus
          Millermatic 200

          Millermatic 350P with Python
          XMT 304 /w S-64 feeder and 12VS
          Dynasty 300 DX
          Thermal Arc 400 MST
          Victor O/A
          Premier Power Welder for my trail junk.

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          • #6
            I sent you a PM SD.
            So you're telling me...You're not nostalgic? Then, give me another word for it......

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            • #7
              Sundown, I use the 'fully populated' cord in 50' length to power my Suitcase 8RC from my XMT and also use the cord to power my XR 115 volt feeder. It's a dual purpose cord for me. If I didn't need the 115v power to run the XR, then the cheaper cord would have been my choice. I would imagine the cheaper cord is also a little lighter weight without the extra wires in it.

              I run the cord and a gas hose together inside a leather jacket with velcro closure to protect the cord and gas hose. The cord is so rediculusly expensive it was worth it to me to spend another $100 on a leather jacket to protect it in the field. I got the jacket from Tillman, through Airgas. I have Tillman jackets on most of my torches too.
              Millermatic350P/Python, MillermaticReach/Q300
              Millermatic175
              MillermaticPassport/Q300
              HTP MIG200
              PowCon 300SM, MK Cobramatic
              ThermalArc 185ACDC, Dynaflux Tig'r, CK-20
              DialarcHF, Radiator-1
              Hypertherm PowerMax 380
              Purox oxy/ace
              Jackson EQC
              -F350 CrewCab 4x4
              -LoadNGo utility bed
              -Bobcat 250NT
              -PassportPlus/Q300
              -XMT304/Optima/Spoolmatic15A
              -Suitcase8RC/Q400
              -Suitcase12RC/Q300
              -Smith oxy/propane
              -Jackson EQC

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              • #8
                Hey guys,

                Really appreciate the info.

                Think I'll go with the 25' fully populated cord ($180.00 from miller4less) for now and add another standard cord if I need it down the road. The fully populated cord will resolve any potential issues with using the optima 304 pulser with the 12RC.

                I will say that Miller is dang proud of those cords. Think I'll keep my eyes out for some SO wire from EmpireWire (e-bay seller I've had really good luck with).
                Syncrowave 250 DX Tigrunner
                Dynasty 200 DX
                Miller XMT 304 w/714D Feeder & Optima Control
                Miller MM 251 w/Q300 & 30A SG
                Hobart HH187
                Dialarc 250 AC/DC
                Hypertherm PM 600 & 1250
                Wilton 7"x12" bandsaw
                PC Dry Cut Saw, Dewalt Chop Saw
                Milwaukee 8" Metal Cut Saw, Milwaukee Portaband.
                Thermco and Smith (2) Gas Mixers
                More grinders than hands

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Railmen View Post
                  Where abouts do you order that cable from ??

                  Railmen
                  I probably build and sell on average close to 2000 various control cables, remotes, & extensions every year.

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                  • #10
                    Sundown,
                    Here is a 25 foot Miller extension cord 043725 for $175 plus $15 shipping from brweldingsupply.
                    http://cgi.ebay.com/MILLER-14-PIN-25...ht_3140wt_1098
                    Nick
                    Last edited by kiwi; 04-07-2010, 09:42 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Fun note on Amphenol connectors (I was USAF Avionics in a previous life):

                      You don't need the crimp tool to use the crimp-style pins on (NON-aircraft due to legal issues) applications.

                      Tin the wire, insert in pin you filled with liquid flux, heat pin, repeat. You can re-use a soldered pin, but not a crimped pin. Do not get solder on outside of pin lest ye disrupt the locking feature.

                      Once you make friends with these connectors, they are easy to deal with.

                      Posted by Cruizer:
                      "I probably build and sell on average close to 2000 various control cables, remotes, & extensions every year. "
                      You sir, are a cable-makin' demon. (That's more than the Gold Flag repair shop on most air bases.) Do you retail parts too?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by cruizer View Post
                        Not really, I just use a quality 16/8 SOOW cable when building them.

                        And its less than $75 to build
                        Send me a PM with a cost per foot of that cable....

                        Looking to change out the cable on my remote.

                        Thx Ty
                        2007 Trailblazer 302G
                        2004 Invision 354MP
                        1999 60 series feeder
                        2005 Maxstar 200DX
                        2007 CST280
                        1999 HF 251-1
                        older Hobart hefty wire feeder
                        Hyperthrem 600
                        Maxstar 150S(such a cute welder)
                        had and sold........
                        2003 XMT 304CC/CV
                        1947 Lincoln SA200G short hood
                        1963 Lincoln SA200G
                        1975 Lincoln SA200G(best machine ever had )
                        1970's Lincoln SAE400G
                        2 Maxstar's 200DX's
                        1 Maxstar 200SD
                        CST 280
                        2 CST 250
                        MM130


                        Railmen

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