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  • Tig Wire Feed

    Hi
    Years ago a friend of mine that worked at a fab shop bought a attachment for their Tig, it was a push pull wire feed that would feed wire up to the tig torch, no more feeding in the rod, it had a button you pushed with your finger on the torch and used a foot petal, it worked really well, I think it was made by Miller does anybody have any info on this setup?

    Thanks in advance..

  • #2
    Wire feeder for tig

    Yes Rustyp,
    CK Worldwide has such a system.There is a wire feed machine that looks like a small mig and there is an extra leed that run along the tig's leed.At the torch there is a tube that aims the wire into the weld pool.You can check it out on their web site:www.ckworldwide.com
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    • #3
      but thats cheating?

      cyberweld has a tigpen http://store.cyberweld.com/tigpen.html
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      • #4
        Originally posted by andyman View Post
        but thats cheating?

        cyberweld has a tigpen http://store.cyberweld.com/tigpen.html
        If you're not cheating, You're not trying

        I've seen automated pipe welding machines that use the same set up. A mounted tig torch a wire feeder and a work positioner
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        • #5
          but what to do with my left hand if i never have to feed wire?

          i guess i wouldn't need it so i could just sell my left arm to buy the wire feeder =D
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          • #6
            I wondered about that..

            Has anyone used one of these systems? Looks like it could work very nicely, I actually wondered if you could use normal welding wire as filler material to tig weld.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tryagn5 View Post
              Has anyone used one of these systems? Looks like it could work very nicely, I actually wondered if you could use normal welding wire as filler material to tig weld.
              Kevin
              You could,i've used mig wire to tig weld;same thing.If you want to go half way,use a larger diameter mig wire with the tig pen.It works well but you need to devise yourself a way to keep the wire from springing out of the spool,Frank
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              • #8
                If you need all that crap, I'd suggest you just buy a MIG welder.
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                • #9
                  The machine I seen was a nice set up something like a $10K power supply then add the wire feeder and pipe roller it was an expensive setup.
                  It is used by Aqua-Fine corp in Santa Clarita just north of LA. They are not to be confused with the bottled water company. They make water purification systems for remote locations or on board ships.
                  The power supply also controlled the arc gap and was set to hold the tungsten .020" from the puddle. It used a laser to gauge the distance and it was cnc controlled to feed the wire and roll the pipe. It even made it's own tie ins.

                  Nassco runs Semi auto sub arc machines that feed 1/4" wire to weld up bulkheads, fun stuff to watch
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                  • #10
                    kcstott:

                    More than likely it used a laser for the seam tracking operation and the arc gap was set with an AVC control. It doesnt work off of actual distance, but it measures the arc voltage and adjusts the gap through the change in arc voltage as compared to a preset value. Usually its between 9 volts without filler and 11 volts with.

                    CK does make a cheap cold wirefeeder, but the problem is that it does not have any provision for a synchronous wire drive to match your welders pulsation. Other systems do offer a low pulse lock out option for the wirefeeder, along with the AVC command.

                    If you intend to use a cold wire feeder manually, I would recommend a hand held wire delivery device. The torch mounted wire guides are ok for positioner work, but are more dificult to use of any other kind of work. Remember, your wire lead angle will dictate your welding direction.

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                    • #11
                      Money can't buy an arm, but an arm can count money!

                      Originally posted by andyman View Post
                      but what to do with my left hand if i never have to feed wire?

                      i guess i wouldn't need it so i could just sell my left arm to buy the wire feeder =D
                      Hmmmm Andy that would be like the old saying don't cut off your nose despite your face. You will find some use for it Like counting all your money that you get from your royalties. Bob

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Frank Motoweld View Post
                        You could,i've used mig wire to tig weld;same thing.If you want to go half way,use a larger diameter mig wire with the tig pen.It works well but you need to devise yourself a way to keep the wire from springing out of the spool,Frank

                        Can you explain in great detail how the tig pen works.


                        Pics and videos are a plus.

                        Thanks.

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                        • #13
                          Tig pen

                          No need for a video,Frank

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                          There is a small wheel on the side that you roll with your finger to feed the wire,easy!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Frank Motoweld View Post
                            No need for a video,Frank

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                            There is a small wheel on the side that you roll with your finger to feed the wire,easy!
                            I have carpel tunnel in both hands and my hands are not steady, I dont want to give up my coffee for a month before making a weld either so I am looking for something to help me control the rod feed better, have you used this before, what do you think?

                            I played with that auto wire feed thing about 15 years ago, it was slick, you could set their and build stick men out of weld puddle, his boss bought it because they were fabricating something that took 4 hrs to tack up then weld, with the wire feed they were doing the same thing in less than an hour with the wire feed, I am looking more at control than speed, I could use two hands to steady with if not holding a filler rod.

                            Thanks

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                            • #15
                              Tig pen

                              Every time you roll the wheel you get a bit more than 1/2 inch of feed per stroke.Then you move your finger back and start over.If i'm not mistaking,for you,your index finger should be easier to move than the thumb.

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