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    New poster here, and very glad to be here.

    Planning on repairing/replacing sections of my bed floor in my 2000 Toyota Tundra truck this spring. I've tiged on cars before, but never with modern electronics like ECUs or even stereos. I thought I would have to unplug certain electronics and disconnect the battery. But I found this product in the MAC Tools catalog.

    http://www.mactools.com/SearchResult...?Search=et20az

    Called an " Anti-Zap service minder". Its suppose to protect the car from voltage spikes and surges.

    So has anyone seen or heard of this type of device? Has anyone used one? Or am I better off just disconnecting everything every night.

    Thank you for your time.

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    Welcome to the forum.

    I have never used this particular device but I do have a similar device on the main panel of my electric service in my house. It is made by wire mold. Mac is a well known tool company. I would bet that it would work fine.
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    • #3
      I have heard the argument of damage to equipment all the time, but NEVER seen a result of it. I weld on stuff all the time, whether it be a crane or drill rig, to my last Audi S4.....they recommend diconnecting the computer from the car(not the battery so much) but I've never had a prob, even with the sensitive German electronics. Keep your ground close and you should be fine. Do this at your own risk though as I am just speaking from my personal experience. I have never disconnected anything and NEVER had a problem. Dave
      Originally posted by weaver View Post
      New poster here, and very glad to be here.

      Planning on repairing/replacing sections of my bed floor in my 2000 Toyota Tundra truck this spring. I've tiged on cars before, but never with modern electronics like ECUs or even stereos. I thought I would have to unplug certain electronics and disconnect the battery. But I found this product in the MAC Tools catalog.

      http://www.mactools.com/SearchResult...?Search=et20az

      Called an " Anti-Zap service minder". Its suppose to protect the car from voltage spikes and surges.

      So has anyone seen or heard of this type of device? Has anyone used one? Or am I better off just disconnecting everything every night.

      Thank you for your time.

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      • #4
        Automotive Surge Protector !!

        Originally posted by weaver View Post
        New poster here, and very glad to be here.

        Planning on repairing/replacing sections of my bed floor in my 2000 Toyota Tundra truck this spring. I've tiged on cars before, but never with modern electronics like ECUs or even stereos. I thought I would have to unplug certain electronics and disconnect the battery. But I found this product in the MAC Tools catalog.

        http://www.mactools.com/SearchResult...?Search=et20az

        Called an " Anti-Zap service minder". Its suppose to protect the car from voltage spikes and surges.

        So has anyone seen or heard of this type of device? Has anyone used one? Or am I better off just disconnecting everything every night.

        Thank you for your time.
        Weaver, Hello & Welcome; Yes I have a surge protector that I use everytime
        I weld on a customers vehicle !!
        I t Works Great , and I've never had a Problem !!

        ...... Norm :
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        • #5
          Surge Protector

          Hey Norm: Where'd you get yours? I'd like to buy one.

          Dave
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          • #6
            Surge Protector :

            Originally posted by davedarragh View Post
            Hey Norm: Where'd you get yours? I'd like to buy one.

            Dave
            Dave, I bought mine at U.A.P. here in Delhi, around $40.00, I think ?
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            • #7
              Mac tools "anti-zap"

              I OWN ONE OF THESE ITEMS AND HAVE used it several times on my 2005 dodge ram 2500 common rail diesel and I haven't had any computer related problem's. So i would say that it works
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              • #8
                Originally posted by BartsArcs View Post
                I OWN ONE OF THESE ITEMS AND HAVE used it several times on my 2005 dodge ram 2500 common rail diesel and I haven't had any computer related problem's. So i would say that it works


                I don't own one of these things, or know anyone that does, and I've struck several thousand arcs (building welding beds) on '05 and later common rail Cummins/Dodges. I know several thousand other guys that have done the same, plus Fords & Chebbys. (I belong to a very large group of pipeline welders). No computer problems.
                The equipment mechanics I work around are welding on the back of their (late model) service trucks all the time, so I'm guessing you're pretty safe on Peterbilts and IH's and KW's too.

                You really can't prove a negative, I can wear a tin foil beanie for a year, and if I'm not bit by a snake during that time, my experiment doesn't show that foil beanies prevent snake bites

                I've never disconnected anything on car or truck before welding, I've yet to damage any electrical components. If anything, I believe disconnecting the battery will hurt before it will help. But if you place your ground like an adult, you'll have no problems in my opinion.


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                • #9
                  I totally agree!!!
                  And going just by that how would you even know if that thing was working.
                  Just how is it supposed to work anyways?
                  I have been in an automotive and marine enviroment my whole welding career doing exhaust and hitches on car and trucks as well as thousands of boat welding projects and NEVER blew a single component.
                  Does it say to you it saved your but like a virus protection package?
                  "Your computer has been protected from a surge"
                  Now maybe if someone here on the forum intentially does something stupid to try and blow their computer while using this device and it works...then I'll be impressed. If Miller sold one I might be swayed as well. I'm not much of a Mac man either but I own a bunch of Snap-On stuff.

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                  • #10
                    Welded on hundreds, maybe more of cars/trucks, never had a problem. Like the man says, welds on the bed of his truck daily.

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                    • #11
                      i was welding on the passenger door of a 94 ford f-350
                      ,and i disconnected the ground from the battery,
                      and somehow the transmission shifts were reset way too high
                      the computer had to be reprogrammed
                      my daddy always said i was IRONHEADED....
                      feel free to P/M me

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                      • #12
                        It looks like somebody scammed the new tool purchaser at MAC, to me. I bet there are some simple electronics inside that won't hurt anything, but...
                        Originally posted by JTMcC
                        You really can't prove a negative
                        I hope somebody can prove me wrong.

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                        • #13
                          Surge Protectors !!!

                          I had a customer that told me he had his electronics fried on his truck
                          by someone who welded on it before me , I don't know but thats what he said ??

                          I bought one to show the customers, Look I've conected this to protect your Vehicle!! It makes them happy, and protects me iffin something does
                          go wrong !!

                          So for a few bucks everyone is happy, there minds are at ease when they see it is connected to their vehicle !! ..... Norm :
                          Last edited by nfinch86; 01-14-2013, 10:33 AM.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by nfinch86 View Post
                            I had a customer that told me he had his elaetrnics fried on his truck
                            by someone who welded on it before me , I don't know but thats what he said ??

                            I bought one to show the customers, Look I've conected this to protect your Vehicle!! It makes them happy, and protects me iffin something does
                            go wrong !!

                            So for a few bucks everyone is happy, there minds are at ease when they see it is connected to their vehicle !! ..... Norm :

                            Norm...Re-read your own post and think about it!!!

                            #1 We all all well aware you can fry the guts out of any vehicle out there, it's very easy hook the ground to your trailer hitch and weld something on the tailgate...I have seen it done at a shop I worked at in the 80's...it was awsum, it fried gauges and all kinds of stuff!
                            My competition once hooked a ground to a skeg and welded on a hull and fried a wiring harness...needless to say that marina was rather leary of welders after that!!

                            #2 I not sure what you are thinking here if you hook that device on a vehicle and still fry their electronics you are NOT protected at all!!! You don't get to say "hey I hooked that dewhickey up and it still blew your computer, sorry bud I did everything I could!" Only doctors get to say that stuff!!! It would be your word against the world whether or not you even hooked it up correctly. You are still liable.
                            Now if it's yer buddies pickup and you're welding for a few beers or whatever that's entirely different... you might get away with simply blowing that off

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                            • #15
                              Surge Protector :

                              Originally posted by FusionKing View Post
                              Norm...Re-read your own post and think about it!!!

                              #1 We all all well aware you can fry the guts out of any vehicle out there, it's very easy hook the ground to your trailer hitch and weld something on the tailgate...I have seen it done at a shop I worked at in the 80's...it was awsum, it fried gauges and all kinds of stuff!
                              My competition once hooked a ground to a skeg and welded on a hull and fried a wiring harness...needless to say that marina was rather leary of welders after that!!

                              #2 I not sure what you are thinking here if you hook that device on a vehicle and still fry their electronics you are NOT protected at all!!! You don't get to say "hey I hooked that dewhickey up and it still blew your computer, sorry bud I did everything I could!" Only doctors get to say that stuff!!! It would be your word against the world whether or not you even hooked it up correctly. You are still liable.
                              Now if it's yer buddies pickup and you're welding for a few beers or whatever that's entirely different... you might get away with simply blowing that off
                              FusionKing, Hi; Your Probably correct about me still being Liable?/
                              But that would have to be sorted out in a Court of Law !!!

                              The piont about where you put the work clamp ( Ground Clamp )
                              You are correct about Knowing where to put said clamp !!
                              I've Welded on Overhead Cranes, and you better Know where to put
                              that work lead ( Ground Clamp ) or you will really mess up the crane
                              bearings and what-not!!

                              FusionKing, Merry Christmas to You and Yours ! ... Norm :
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