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    Anybody have any experience with an ESAB 252 TIG machine? I had my heart set on a Miller machine, but the opportunity has come about to purchase a five year old ESAB 252 (probably cheap??), a Miller coolmate, a foot controler and a Diamondback torch. If you guys think it might be worthwhile what would you consider to be a good price? The unit appears to be in reasonable shape. I found it is in a business that fabricates race car frames and has allegedly only been used for aluminum work. The story is that they upgraded and have no use for the 252. My wife asked me why I would want something so large in my shop, but I thought if it were cheap enough I might give it a shot. Any information/thoughts/opinions would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks,
    Nick

  • #2
    Nick,

    Why don't you give Scott a PM he might know something about one of those. Better yet, tell your wife to get you a Dynasty 200DX, it's a much more reasonable size .
    Regards, George

    Hobart Handler 210 w/DP3035 - Great 240V small Mig
    Hobart Handler 140 - Great 120V Mig
    Hobart Handler EZ125 - IMO the best 120V Flux Core only machine

    Miller Dynasty 200DX with cooler of my design, works for me
    Miller Spectrum 375 - Nice Cutter

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    • #3
      If it's under $2k then I think it's a **** good deal. Don't spend more for a Dynasty 200, it's just too small when you could have this ESAB..

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      • #4
        Sundown,
        Thanks for the reply. I did PM Scott, but he has not answered me yet. I actually PM'ed you the other day also. Maybe the PM's are not working properly.

        Benny,
        Thank you for the info. I just spoke to the guy. He said that they upgraded to a Dynasty and that it works fine. It has been used for ~ 15 HRS per week on aluminum. The only negative aspects of the purchase are that I will have to drive 500 miles each way to pick it up and I will have to have 100 amp service installed in my shop ( I currently have 50 amp service).
        Thanks,
        Nick

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        • #5
          I am partial but it looks like to me if the Dynasty will do all of what you need it is a no brainer to me. I just got a 200dx to go along with the 300dx in my shop and the 200 is so small it's like it don't exist compared to the old syncrowave 250 or even the 300dx. I have thought of dropping a shelf down out of the cieling and having it overhead if I can come up with a good plan. No Floor Space items make me happy....
          Miller Dynasty 300 DX TR, 2007
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          Hypertherm PM 45, 2014
          Scotchman 5014CM Ironworker 2005
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          • #6
            Originally posted by KIWI View Post
            Sundown,
            Thanks for the reply. I did PM Scott, but he has not answered me yet. I actually PM'ed you the other day also. Maybe the PM's are not working properly.

            <snip>
            Nick I got your PM and answered back, if you didn't get it then let me know.
            Regards, George

            Hobart Handler 210 w/DP3035 - Great 240V small Mig
            Hobart Handler 140 - Great 120V Mig
            Hobart Handler EZ125 - IMO the best 120V Flux Core only machine

            Miller Dynasty 200DX with cooler of my design, works for me
            Miller Spectrum 375 - Nice Cutter

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            • #7
              if ya got the $$ and the dyn200 will handle what you need to do i would go with it. like said abouve its small so no shop space is taken up and no new power require ments, heck with its 110v option its so portable you will start inventing reasons to take it out.
              nothing like a lil TIG in the liveing room after dinner. that kind of portability is always nice to have available even if ya dont end up using it.
              figure in your time and gas to do the pick up you gotta add what $500 or more to the price VS diliverd to the door and easily caried out to the shop. is it still a good deal ??
              thanks for the help
              ......or..........
              hope i helped
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              feel free to shoot me an e-mail direct i have time to chat. james@newyorkmetalart.com
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              • #8
                Originally posted by fun4now View Post
                if ya got the $$ and the dyn200 will handle what you need to do i would go with it. like said abouve its small so no shop space is taken up and no new power require ments, heck with its 110v option its so portable you will start inventing reasons to take it out.
                nothing like a lil TIG in the liveing room after dinner. that kind of portability is always nice to have available even if ya dont end up using it.
                figure in your time and gas to do the pick up you gotta add what $500 or more to the price VS diliverd to the door and easily caried out to the shop. is it still a good deal ??
                Well Fun,
                Thanks for the reply! That is what I was getting at,the cost. If I could get the unit for say $1000 to $1250, gas at $150, 100 Amp circuit $150, then I would have a decent TIG machine with a water cooled torch for somewhere between $1300 to $1550. If you were to choose which do you think would be the most cost effective choice. I would rather have a 200 DX, but the cost of the unit alone would be (Cyberweld Price) $2,669.00. That is for a bare unit then add the Miller TIG Contractor Kit with RFCS-14HD and the price is now $3268.99. So, what do you think?
                Thanks,
                Nick
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                • #9
                  i supose it comes down to what you intend to use it for and how much $$ you have available. we cant all have dyn200Dx's. i saved up for about 3 years then ended up getting a TA-185 for $1750, that was about 6 months ago.
                  i dont know what your shop is?? do you do just hobby stuff like me or is it a buisness??
                  it would seem that you have worked out being able to give it a 100amp breaker, so if you dont have a mobile use at the moment and want to add TIG to your shop and $$ is tight go esab and use it to pay for the dyn200 to add mobile work later on.
                  $3268.99 is a lil high as you could pice togather the contractors kit for about $300 but you are still looking at $3000 VS $1500 . not to mention if you start making some $$ with the esab and do get the dyn200 later on you will already have the cooler, torch and foot controle from the esab to use on the dyn200. so you sell the esab localy for $500-$1000 without the extras and you are $1000 ahead of the game for the dyn200.
                  if you are a buisness and have perspective mobile jobs for the TIG then skip the esab and just grab a dyn200 and it will pay for its self on the job. if its a home hobby shop like mine the esab is realy the best rought to go. it will alow you to start TIGing and with the cooler and extras you can easily sell back out of it for a dyn200 later without loosing your shorts.

                  short anser;
                  if you are not a buisness shop with possible mobile work lined up. spend the weekend driving down to get a TIG welder. build up a TIG reputation and get a dyn200 later when it will make you some $$,.
                  if you are a buisness that can grow with a mobile TIG unit, call up cyberweld with a C.Card # for a dyn200dx and get some work done to pay for it.

                  hope thats some help.

                  i had no choice, i had to get an inverter. there is only 100amps on my property and that has to feed the house too. as its a trailor and an old one at that to upgrade my service would require new lines from the street to my pole then to my house & shop. big $$ involved. so it was inverter or no TIG for me, or i would have a syncrowave 200.
                  thanks for the help
                  ......or..........
                  hope i helped
                  sigpic
                  feel free to shoot me an e-mail direct i have time to chat. james@newyorkmetalart.com
                  summer is here, plant a tree. if you don't have space or time to plant one sponsor some one else to plant one for you. a tree is an investment in our planet, help it out.
                  JAMES

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                  • #10
                    Fun,
                    I am a hobbiest who works full time in healthcare and who takes welding classes because I enjoy welding. I have actually done some repair jobs for folks and have dabbled in some ornamental iron to boot. I am currently fabricating a trailer. My buddy is a "sparky" and he said that he could install a 100 Amp circuit for $150. So that will give you some background. As for the TIG situation I would not like to have this enormous unit in my shop period, but it seemed like a cost effective way to get a high quality TIG at a reasonable price. I know that you love Dynastys as most guys do on this forum, but in reality this TIG would probably be able to do most things that the Dynasty could do except for the portability issue. So I guess my thoughts were I could have a good TIG machine with money to spare for other things.
                    Thanks,
                    Nick

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                    • #11
                      with that in mind, the TA-185 are still at $2000 a little more than the esab but a lot smaller. as a hobby guy the dyn200DX is just realy hard to justify unless you have lots of extra $$ to spend on your hobbys.
                      if you realy hate the idea of the big unit taking up 1/2 your shop look at a TA-185 . its a realy nice lil TIG unit verry close to the dyn200DX and much quieter. noyt to mention the wife will be happy you dont have , what was it she said???"why I would want something so large in my shop". the TA is a compleat ready to weld package a little smaller than the Dyn and only 220V but has many verry happy owners. i been fallowing it for several years and not seen any ishues to ward me off of getting it. i still want a Dyn200Dx but will have to find a way to get my TA to make me some $$ first so it can pay for it as i certenly cant. the TA would come with a warentee so you can sleep soundly at night also. so you might look at it as an option.
                      FWIW : i been realy happy with mine.worked realy well on the aluminum cart i built for it.
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                      thanks for the help
                      ......or..........
                      hope i helped
                      sigpic
                      feel free to shoot me an e-mail direct i have time to chat. james@newyorkmetalart.com
                      summer is here, plant a tree. if you don't have space or time to plant one sponsor some one else to plant one for you. a tree is an investment in our planet, help it out.
                      JAMES

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                      • #12
                        Again, here is my typical thoughts on the subject. For you, there is no reason to buy the Dynasty 200dx. None. It's too expensive, too small, and if portability is your thing there's probably better ways of getting the job done. If you KNOW you need all the adjustability then you NEED a Dynasty 300dx. The ESAB 252 is a machine that will serve you well for a long time and it's probably something you will never outgrow unless you become a full-time, heavy-working fab shop. Even then, it'll still be worth having in a shop like that. The fact that you can get these machines with accessories such as torches, coolers, ground clamps, remote controls, flowmeters, etc. makes them the smartest deal. Not only imo will that ESAB weld circles around a Dynasty 200, but it costs A LOT LESS AND COMES WITH A LOT MORE. In the future you can upgrade to a comparable inverter like the Dynasty 300 or 350 and you've already got the accessories you need so then you sell the ESAB, buy the Dynasty power source and you've got that inverter adjustability. Again, if you don't know you need those last little things inverters can do then chances are it's not needed. Get a machine that you can learn well on and do all the work that comes up. IMO, there is no comparison between a machine like an ESAB 252 and a Dynasty 200. The Dynasty 200 loses everytime. 200 amps cannot compete with 320 amps.. Ever. To me 300 is the magic number that makes a machine cover all the bases. I also think the ESAB machine is pretty small in its own right.

                        If you're strictly hobby and just wanna say you have a tig machine for fun go for something like the TA. But in my experience you can still get much more machine and package on the used market for the money. I still think the Dynasty 200 is an overpriced, under-sized unit, that only makes sense for a full-time shop as dedicated small work machine or as backup. Again, if you just have the money to blow and that's not an issue for you, there's nothing wrong with buying one if you like.

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                        • #13
                          I agree with Billet Benny on this one. Even new, the Esab is a really good bargain.

                          http://cgi.ebay.com/ESAB-TIGMASTER-2...QQcmdZViewItem

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                          • #14
                            I had the ESAB 161 I never liked the AC portion of the machine (ac frequency factory set too high and not adjustable) and then after less than 30 hours on the unit the went up in smoke. It took several weeks for ESAB to do anything finally my Airgas store gave me a loner it went up in smoke with ten minutes the third one lasted about 2 hours. On the last trip back to Airgas I was given the Dynasty 200DX machine only and they kept the ESAB POS. All with no money out of my pocket. Now Airgas has my business for life and I am back in the friendly arms of mother Miller.


                            ESAB makes some good fillers, the Plasma machines work well, BUT I rather like the feeling of Miller backing up what they make with out question, I use my Dynasty to feed my family and I am confident that it or the Miller Company will be by my side.

                            Buy American and Buy local.

                            TJ
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                            • #15
                              I had the ESAB 161 I never liked the AC portion of the machine

                              Every Esab rep I know will not sell that machine to anyone. In fact Airgas finally got Esab to buy back all those machines. Including the Esab's rep machine. He said get me a 185 Thermal. That is a Italian Esab that was never made for a foot control. It was added later. The 252 is made in South Carolina and is not related in anyway to the 161 . If you bought a Swedish Tig machine or a USA machine you are totally fine. The 252 has been in that design longer then all the rest of the rec. transformer tigs combined. It's proven for sure.

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