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    Currently putting together a 94 mustang to make into a track car and wanting to purchase a tig to do my own chassis work with (sub frame connectors, anti roll bar, coil over mounts, things like that) and wondering what would be a good machine for that? I dont plan on doing much if any aluminum right now so a DC only machine would work aswell for me. Would a diversion 165/180 or maxstar 150STH be a good machine for this or should I look for something bigger?

    Thanks
    Last edited by BB94Mustang; 08-10-2010, 10:58 PM.

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    Diversion 180

    If I were looking in your position..... I would strongly consider the Diversion 180 for about $1700 fully outfitted... for an inverter.. sure cannot beat it... I have a Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner and a Dynasty 200DX.... both superb machines... but a lot more money than the diversion...
    just my 2cents worth
    Heiti
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    “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

    Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

    My Blue Stuff:
    Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
    Dynasty 200DX
    Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
    Millermatic 200

    TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000

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    • #3
      the diversion 165 you can get for cheap right now i bought mine for 1100 new tax and argon bottle swap included the maxstar is great for DC but IF you want AL capability defiantly get the diversion 165/or 180 if you want 120 volt


      good luck on getting a machine
      Leblond Makino mills
      HAAS CNC SL-40 lathe
      American Pacemaker lathe
      wells index mill
      hydrotel rebuilt
      syncrowave 250
      diversion 165
      Miller Elite Vintage USA

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      • #4
        CNC where did you get a new Diversion 165 for 1100? Good price.

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        • #5
          i got it new on the crate with the red torch for 1100 and only 120 extra for the pedal at mobil industrial welding supply in placenta CA but to be honest theres a lot of business that goes to them after years of buying gas and equipment so from time to time i get a break on stuff
          Leblond Makino mills
          HAAS CNC SL-40 lathe
          American Pacemaker lathe
          wells index mill
          hydrotel rebuilt
          syncrowave 250
          diversion 165
          Miller Elite Vintage USA

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          • #6
            I have the D200DX and love it. Bought above my pay grade when I bought it,,, Never regretted the expense either. I currently have it, a coolmate 4, and "I" head watercooled torch and a thumb control that is an odd duck that I love made by mastercraft I think. Also have a DC only rig with a gas cooled torch and it is great for SS and Higher amperage as its a 300 amp power source. Never short on the tools to build the project correctly.

            Peace,
            Paul

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            • #7
              After thinking about it a bit and with the current state of my car/project I think a mig would be the better choice as of right now and may hold off on the tig til later on. What would be your suggestions as to what mig to go with? Was looking at the MM212 and PM216. Would these machines be good for my intended usage (rollcage would be done with a tig later on) or should i be looking at a 250+ amp machine? Which is the better machine?

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              • #8
                Even though a tig is more expensive and requires more skill... I would vote that you go for one of those first... your skillset will be much stronger in the longrun.... mig is percieved like a hot glue gun... even though that is not true... LEARN tig first!!! then the rest of your adventure will be much more fulfilling... know some dimestore experts will argue... but they are wrong...
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                *******************************************
                The more you know, The better you know, How little you know

                “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

                Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

                My Blue Stuff:
                Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
                Dynasty 200DX
                Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
                Millermatic 200

                TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by H80N View Post
                  Even though a tig is more expensive and requires more skill... I would vote that you go for one of those first... your skillset will be much stronger in the longrun.... mig is percieved like a hot glue gun... even though that is not true... LEARN tig first!!! then the rest of your adventure will be much more fulfilling... know some dimestore experts will argue... but they are wrong...
                  I've done some tig and after having done it I hate mig welding and would much rather tig over mig but figured mig would be the better choice for where im at with my project but with the money im looking to spend on a mig im not far from what it be for a nice tig machine.

                  Which tig would you suggest between a precision tig 225 vs a syncowave 200?

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                  • #10
                    This is just my .02 but I would go with a mig first. You want to do a bunch of fabrication...such as sub frame connectors, a cage, etc. I can vouch for the fact that trying to overhead tig, while laying on your back, operating a pedal, is NOT fun. Not to mention undercoating is the biggest PITA to clean off of a car.
                    (Tip: Use dry ice where you can, a wire wheel where you cant, and wipe with diesel on a rag to get the rest of the tar residue. Then clean with acetone. DONT have open flame near by when you do any of the flammable bits)

                    I worked at a racing fab shop as an apprentice for a long while when I was going to school. Mig will do the cage, the fab work, it fills holes in sheet metal easily, and you can definitely fill a gap (god forbid you have one or two of those when you fabricate something...) if you need to. I have burned lots of wire welding in cage pads, and that is something I would definitely not want to do with a tig.

                    I have an MM180...I just built a 1/4" plate bumper for a 92 bronco, I've used it for cage work, I've welded seat mounts into various cars (including a few of my own) And it has never let me down. There are times I wish for more duty cycle...but do you really see yourself welding 1/4, 5/16, or 3/8ths often enough to need it?

                    When I got MY first welder (not a shop welder) it was the mm180, and I picked up a spoolmate 100. That combo worked well for my projects and made me a bunch of money on side jobs. Like I said, just my .02 In the end, it is your choice, but take a good long look at what you REALLY need first.
                    Precision is only as important as the project...if you're building a rocket ship...1/64" would matter. If you're building a sledgehammer...an 1/8" probably wont.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by H80N View Post
                      Even though a tig is more expensive and requires more skill... I would vote that you go for one of those first... your skillset will be much stronger in the longrun.... mig is percieved like a hot glue gun... even though that is not true... LEARN tig first!!! then the rest of your adventure will be much more fulfilling... know some dimestore experts will argue... but they are wrong...
                      Have you spent much time in race fab shops? Ultimately you need both but if you are doing primarily mild steel DOM and ERW (as most race fab shops do) if you can only pick one a mig will be a better choice. If you're going to a one off build in your garage you could do it with all tig but those that know use both and most if it is mig. Here's a pretty good example... and these aren't exactly "dime store experts".

                      http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...d-TIG-welding/

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                      • #12
                        Vegas
                        Been Tigging for 40plus years.... and yes been around race shops.... Have Dynasty 200DX and 350DX Tigrunner...Plus MM350P W/25ft alumapro gun.... and tons of other stuff.... AND I still stand by my reccomendation.... if you learn how to properly tig.. you will be better served by a mig when you get around to getting one... too many people start with mig and learn sloppy habits that mar their skills for life... the glue gun syndrome..... but to each his own,,,, please reread what I said about "skillset"....
                        Last edited by H80N; 09-16-2010, 10:50 AM.
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                        *******************************************
                        The more you know, The better you know, How little you know

                        “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

                        Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

                        My Blue Stuff:
                        Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
                        Dynasty 200DX
                        Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
                        Millermatic 200

                        TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000

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                        • #13
                          Decided to stick with the mig for now and am going to pick up a esab migmaster 215 pro next week and then will start saving for a tig to go with it.

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                          • #14
                            After going back and forth a bit over which machines to get I finally decided and just placed an order for a mm212.

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                            • #15
                              Picked up a mm212 last night and can't wait to try it out and get back to work on the mustang and chevelle.

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