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  • #16
    Originally posted by Pepe View Post
    Just my opinion, the angle will add more weight than strength, and frankly it wouldn't look any better. Also I am not a big fan of grinding welds down smooth, it usually looks more home grown than professional. I would just weld in the baffle with intermittent fillet welds at the 3 sides accessible while the top is still off. Bend a 90 deg angle on the top edge of the baffles so that when you do put the top on you can drill some holes through the top plate and then plug weld to the baffles. This way the baffles are welded to all sides and is very strong. (full length continuous welds are way overkill and only add heat/distortion)

    The real downside to using carbon steel is rust.
    i completely understand and i know where your comin from. i forgot to mention that it would make it easier to get a good burn on it. 16 ga with my 19 year old welding experiance does not work well for long welds that can have no burn through. the angle would have added some metal to help out. second the amount of weight that would have been added would not be anything substancial to all the other steel armor on my jeep. and the grindings main purpose is to cheack for any leaks at all. dont think it looks like booty fab at all.

    i think my man BFJ's cell doesnt look to home grown. turned out sick. just dont mind his filler cap
    Last edited by Mean_Green; 09-20-2008, 01:15 AM.

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    • #17
      as far as fuel cells needing a liner. tell that to rci, jass, fuel safe and the other companys that all sell tanks that do not contain inner bladders or another flexible liner. they do sell some that do but not all.

      summit racing fuel cells

      tell me how many of the cells have the inner bladder and come back.then write your email to the companys and tell them wiki says they have it all wrong

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      • #18
        and now onto some progress





        didnt go with the angle frame.... wish i did now tho in hind sight
        Last edited by Mean_Green; 09-20-2008, 01:37 AM.

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        • #19
          a couple of pics of my project jeep. and theirs alot of things changin on this thing not just the cell. it was stock when i picked it up orriginally



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          • #20
            stock gas tank
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            where it was i meen...
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            and where the new one will mount

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            • #21
              be sure to stencil on the back of your tank "Do NOT ram, explosion will result."

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              • #22
                Baffled about baffles?

                I have mainly worked on three models of aircraft....
                the UH-60a, OH-58A/C, and the Air Tractor 502-B.....


                The only one of them that had any baffles, was the cropduster in its 500 gallon chemical hopper.

                The OH-58 holds 71.5 gallons and there is not one single baffle.

                The UH-60 holds 360 gallons in two tanks, big enough to crawl in.

                As critical as balance is in a helicopter, and no baffles?

                I am baffled.
                Last edited by Blackbird455; 10-06-2008, 02:27 AM.
                SYNCROWAVE 200
                Atlas 618 lathe (vintage 1960) reconditioned DC
                Sioux 3/8 Pneumatic Reversible Drill
                Makita Everything else
                2400 square feet of Sanford and Son lookin shop space
                "Once the spoon flys, putting the pin back in won't solve anything"
                USA 15T, 15V

                www.myspace.com/blackbird455

                http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...5/DSC00356.jpg two cans, one welder

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                • #23
                  does that heli have a single intank pick up with flat 35" bottom? with that much fuel is it more likly to have enuf to compensate? or does it have a deep sump pick up? or maybe a multi point pick up?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ace4059 View Post
                    be sure to stencil on the back of your tank "Do NOT ram, explosion will result."
                    lol i might take you up on that! but in reality it has a 1/4 inchsteel skid and is flush with frame. then in the back their is now 3/16 corner guards from door to tail gate... then a real stinger out DOM in the works with the new bender... it will be fine. def safer then the stock

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Mean_Green View Post
                      does that heli have a single intank pick up with flat 35" bottom? with that much fuel is it more likly to have enuf to compensate? or does it have a deep sump pick up? or maybe a multi point pick up?
                      Very good point

                      The reason the helis don't have baffles:

                      The tanks are well below the horizontal plane of the CG, meaning its like a water bucket on the end of a rope. As the helis turn, gravity keeps the fuel stuck to the bottom of the tank. BTW, single pick ups. Also the tanks are break-away - collapsible , for crashworthiness.
                      I believe that the smaller the tank, in a wheeled vehicle, the baffles are more important, because of sloshing, to ensure constant fuel delivey.
                      That lil jeep is going to slosh the heck out of it.

                      Side note:

                      I used to work for a guy that had a 3000 gal 100 octane avgas tank.
                      It was painted black, and you could see a steady stream of vapors all day long coming from the vent. $$$ just a waistin!! We painted it gloss white, most of the vapor loss went away.
                      SYNCROWAVE 200
                      Atlas 618 lathe (vintage 1960) reconditioned DC
                      Sioux 3/8 Pneumatic Reversible Drill
                      Makita Everything else
                      2400 square feet of Sanford and Son lookin shop space
                      "Once the spoon flys, putting the pin back in won't solve anything"
                      USA 15T, 15V

                      www.myspace.com/blackbird455

                      http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...5/DSC00356.jpg two cans, one welder

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Blackbird455 View Post
                        Very good point

                        Side note:

                        I used to work for a guy that had a 3000 gal 100 octane avgas tank.
                        It was painted black, and you could see a steady stream of vapors all day long coming from the vent. $$$ just a waistin!! We painted it gloss white, most of the vapor loss went away.
                        was the tank exposed to sun? black would deff increase temps then... im not a wiz at that stuff but i get what was happinin... my vent is all vacum sealed to the stock evap canister. only vent to the world is the one on the filler neck. but its only opened when the cap is off for re fuelin... but very good point.

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                        • #27
                          comin along....

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                          • #28
                            I went back and looked, Nice Jeep! Never seen one with the flares off.
                            SYNCROWAVE 200
                            Atlas 618 lathe (vintage 1960) reconditioned DC
                            Sioux 3/8 Pneumatic Reversible Drill
                            Makita Everything else
                            2400 square feet of Sanford and Son lookin shop space
                            "Once the spoon flys, putting the pin back in won't solve anything"
                            USA 15T, 15V

                            www.myspace.com/blackbird455

                            http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...5/DSC00356.jpg two cans, one welder

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by pro70z28 View Post
                              Not to nit pick but if it does not have a flexable liner it is not a fuel cell

                              Not according to NHRA or SFI (Rule book requires a Jazz #220-015-0 fuel cell for pro stock).

                              http://www.jazproducts.com/pro_drag_fc.html

                              They come with or without foam but no liner.
                              Thanks, point well taken. I see I have lived an insulated life in the road racing world where cells and tanks are cells and tanks.


                              Originally posted by Mean_Green View Post
                              as far as fuel cells needing a liner. tell that to rci, jass, fuel safe and the other companys that all sell tanks that do not contain inner bladders or another flexible liner. they do sell some that do but not all.

                              summit racing fuel cells

                              tell me how many of the cells have the inner bladder and come back.then write your email to the companys and tell them wiki says they have it all wrong
                              Boy, take some time off the welding board and get hammered. I think you are missing the difference between convention and common usage with regards to vernacular. Kind of like Weldor and welder. A welder is a machine and Weldor is the well trained guy using it. Weldor is not all too common outside of the field but it is still proper usage regardless. I guess I am insulated by the conventions and rules incorporated in road racing. Regardless, point on nomenclature used in many racing venues taken.

                              This does lead to a problem. Consider this. If an unlined fuel container with no safety foam or other safety increasing devices other than being made of molded plastic can be called a fuel cell what constitutes a fuel cell? Can any container be called a cell or fuel tank interchangeably? Is it defined by the maker? Is there a convention or definition? What is a “fuel cell” then? Anything that holds fuel or a device that incorporates some or many systems, methods and devices to prevent leakage, fire and or explosion?


                              1. Post looking for advice on building a fuel cell. 2. Post pictures of an example you planned to copy in function. 3. Proceed to not bother to use any of the methods used in the example or accept any of the recommendations from the people that replied.
                              Build a long rectangular flat sided thin wall box with non overlapping 90 deg corners incorporating ground down welds that is to be hung exposed, both inside the drivers compartment as well as externally under a rock crawling jeep and fill with gasoline. No foam, no internal liner, nothing to prevent the tank from flexing and splitting right next to a ground weld area in the HAZ. As the fuel sloshes and vibrates inside the tank it will cause the flat panels to flex like a 1 gallon paint thinner can. Unlike the thinner can which has seamless rounded corners and rolled lapped ends the corners on yours are stress risers. The stock was made from pressed steel for reasons more that economy and ease. The two halves are mated at the equator and the welds are planned so that they are not stress risers. The edges and corners are seamless and rounded.

                              Originally posted by Mean_Green View Post
                              thanks for the words. not to get out of line but did you go to college? did you take any classes requiring research? then youll know why they dont let you do research on wiki . not bein mean at all. im assumin you have been to college and will know what i mean when the hamster makes the light go on.
                              If you feel the need to mount an attack by questioning someone’s education rather than discussing the question at hand please attempt to use 4th grade or better English during as it helps the cause. I used Wiki for one click ease on my part only, there are other examples that reinforce the definition available. I am sure that you can use the same research skills that you have incorporated in your fuel cell design to find them. Please bear in mind that I only posted a recomendation on the use of foam and liners in response to your request for info.
                              Last edited by Vicegrip; 10-13-2008, 07:22 AM.
                              Weekend wannab racer with some welders.

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                              • #30
                                [QUOTE=Vicegrip;161772]
                                Originally posted by Vicegrip View Post
                                Boy, take some time off the welding board and get hammered. I think you are missing the difference between convention and common usage with regards to vernacular. Kind of like Weldor and welder. A welder is a machine and Weldor is the well trained guy using it. Weldor is not all too common outside of the field but it is still proper usage regardless. I guess I am insulated by the conventions and rules incorporated in road racing. Regardless, point on nomenclature used in many racing venues taken.
                                i think you were hammered when you wrote that?

                                Originally posted by Vicegrip View Post
                                This does lead to a problem. Consider this. If an unlined fuel container with no safety foam or other safety increasing devices other than being made of molded plastic can be called a fuel cell what constitutes a fuel cell? Can any container be called a cell or fuel tank interchangeably? Is it defined by the maker? Is there a convention or definition? What is a “fuel cell” then? Anything that holds fuel or a device that incorporates some or many systems, methods and devices to prevent leakage, fire and or explosion?
                                go ask wiki

                                Originally posted by Vicegrip View Post
                                If you feel the need to mount an attack by questioning someone’s education rather than discussing the question at hand please attempt to use 4th grade or better English during as it helps the cause. I used Wiki for one click ease on my part only, there are other examples that reinforce the definition available. I am sure that you can use the same research skills that you have incorporated in your fuel cell design to find them. Please bear in mind that I only posted a recomendation on the use of foam and liners in response to your request for info.
                                their was a disclaimer.... look again buddy.... i listened and took all recomendations to the heart. really?

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