Banned on Hobart for not endorsing their mig tags in my posts

[Fishy Jim]

It appears that Hobart didn't like my sig line response to their changing the intentions of my posts with hyperlinked key words. That, and they didn't like my disputing Burkelusa's stolen, but for sale, sandblaster plans back in November. These two instances are their sole justification for banning me.

This was 2 days before the end of my monthly cycle on photobucket. I get about 200 hits from other sites, but the vast majority of these are from the Hobart forums.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/FishyJim/photobucketJanuary.jpg

I'd say with 17000 hits on my posts, they could show me a little more respect.

So anyways, I am not allowed to post over there anymore, and this is why.

What do you guys think?

[ctardi]

I've got a bit of a haven for members banned from other sites. You should check it out, http://www.weldingwiki.com

[precisionworks]

Any links contained within my posts which were placed there by ME (and not the board authorities) will be clearly visible as to where they are taking you. I do not endorse Hobart wire feed products and would steer you towards a Thermal Arc, Lincoln, or Miller before ever recommending a Hobart MIG as they are of lower build quality than nearly everything else in their class. Geez, Jim, perhaps you expected them to roll out the red carpet & ask you to become a product tester???

I would imagine Miller would also ban anyone whose sig line read like that (substitute Miller for Hobart).

[Sundown]

Well since you asked, IMHO that statement was a bit over the top concidering that Hobart has always in the past, and continues to now, produce some very nice, affordable equipment, again thats my opinion. :)

[fatfrank]

I'd say with 17000 hits on my posts, they could show me a little more respect.

What do you guys think?

I think they will survive without you. Since you asked. :eek:

[Coalsmoke]

So anyways, I am not allowed to post over there anymore, and this is why.

What do you guys think?

Without tip-toeing around the issue, I think you are out of line.

[fun4now]

i dought you were banned for saying you didnt like the MIG substitute. :rolleyes: maybee it was the way you said it ????? ;)

miller has never banned me for saying i disliked one of there changes. i have always given them my reason and did it politely, you know like member feed back like, dislike the new change and why.

[Bob Sigmon]

Actually, I was just over on the Hobart site and Fishy Jim's post don't show with the usual "banned" instead of "senior member".

If you've be banned, sorry but then you have to watch whose pot you piss in. Remember MY house, My rules! It worked for my Dad. :o

BTW - I've never had those types of substitutions made on any of my post or show up on posts by others. It could have been a hacker of some sort tweeking your melon.

[cope]

Actually, I was just over on the Hobart site and Fishy Jim's post don't show with the usual "banned" instead of "senior member".

If you've be banned, sorry but then you have to watch whose pot you piss in. Remember MY house, My rules! It worked for my Dad. :o

BTW - I've never had those types of substitutions made on any of my post or show up on posts by others. It could have been a hacker of some sort tweeking your melon.

Hackers like to find volatile threads to fool with; it just stirs the pot more. I have seen my user name used to post pretty bad stuff to another board member; fortunately he knew better, but that stuff is not good for the climate.

[tigman250]

Without tip-toeing around the issue, I think you are out of line.

i would be upset about a sig like that too it's their rules if you don't wish to conform you will be asked to leave.

life is full of rules you have to follow, you can't drive down the wrong side of the road because you want to....if you do you could face dicipline. same thing here.

[arcdawg]

i would be upset about a sig like that too it's their rules if you don't wish to conform you will be asked to leave.

life is full of rules you have to follow, you can't drive down the wrong side of the road because you want to....if you do you could face dicipline. same thing here.

Jim I have to agree with TIG on this one....**** im NO saint when it comes to sig lines but the fact is that its hobarts site and if you want to play you have to play by their rules.....

I want to know what you were expecting with that sig line ?

I know that your smart enough to have come up with a better sig line then that and still have gotten your point across....who pissed in your cherieos ?

dawg

[imported_frank865]

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Any links contained within my posts which were placed there by ME (and not the board authorities) will be clearly visible as to where they are taking you. I do not endorse Hobart wire feed products and would steer you towards a Thermal Arc, Lincoln, or Miller before ever recommending a Hobart MIG as they are of lower build quality than nearly everything else in their class.


Gee...Why did you beat around the bush like that??? :confused: ??? Why didn't you just come right out & tell them what you think???? :D :rolleyes:

[Klugger7214]

Not to take sides here or anything but you did kind of come out a little harsh in saying that their equip. was low quality on their own website. Even though we all know that it is.

[Scott V]

Not to take sides here or anything but you did kind of come out a little harsh in saying that their equip. was low quality on their own website. Even though we all know that it is.

Since some of it is the exact same as Miller stuff, what are you saying??? :eek:
I will say one thing about Hobart machines. It's made here and not in
Malaysia like the purple one. :cool:

[precisionworks]

I will say one thing about Hobart machines. It's made here and not in Malaysia like the purple one. Scott, you beat me to the punch :D :D :D

Amazing, isn't it? We attempt to crush the Vietnamese in the 1960's, and fourty years later we buy welding machines from a country that borders the same Gulf of Thailand.

[Sundown]

Since some of it is the exact same as Miller stuff, what are you saying??? :eek:
I will say one thing about Hobart machines. It's made here and not in
Malaysia like the purple one. :cool:

My purple was made in Japan and just for the record I think that Hobart makes quality machines, even though some of them like the IM210 could use an update, ... and the HH180 could use a tweak in the upper taps ... maybe just a running production change to get the voltage a tad lower on tap 3 and 4. But the quality & and value/cost of all the products are top notch IMHO ... as is my purple "Made in Japan" machine, In My Humble Opinion, of Course :D Funny, if things keep going like they are you won't be able to get a Ford that was made in the USA ... or Canada either (my 1996 F250 came from up north, and a good job they made of it I can say :) ).

[Eric Carroll]

What did you expect? Them to let you talk bad about the product that the forum is intended to promote?When I was about 19 me and a friend of mine got pulled over on the interstate in VA. by a state trooper,my friend thought it would be a good idea to let the cop know how he felt with a hand signal.Well, VA. state troopers dont like hand signals and he pulled my friend out the window,"restrained" him and took him to jail. One month later and about $1000.00 in fines plus hours of driving(lived in NC.) My friend still thought he was treated to harshly for a speeding ticket.

[Fishy Jim]

I have a tigmate, and am very pleased with it for how much I spent. I don't think Hobart mig's are worth what they're charging for them, and I (along with many others) didn't appreciate them converting all my statements into incidental endorsements for their products - so I said that.

If they valued their forum as a market feedback device (which it most certainly is), then they would've respected my view, and possibly asked me what my beefs were with their welders so that they might possibly strengthen their product line (and sales figures) by making some changes where people feel they're slacking. They chose to remove my posting and picture viewing privileges instead. Frankly, it makes me want to sell my Hobart. They have a disclaimer that doesn't endorse my content, why is it I cannot have one that doesn't endorse theirs?

I know they won't miss me if I'm gone. I do, however, have proof that over 17 thousand screens flashed hobarts name across them in January because I posted there.

Thanks for the input, both for and against my position. I knew it would ruffle someones feathers. I just figured they'd be more grown up about how they dealt with it. Since they eliminated my ability to remove the sig, there's really not much I can do to remedy the situation on my end.

[Eric Carroll]

Is the ban forever? Did they warn you? How does this work? I didnt realize so many from hobart are here too.

[Fishy Jim]

They pulled the plug on my posting abilities and any access to pictures and private messages. They apparently don't want to delete all the posts I have which show people cool things to make with their machines. :rolleyes:

They want their cake... I just don't want to be misrepresented by the powers that be. I'm not against Hobart products, I just think there are better mig machines for the same or less money. The only people really pitching their stuff are trying to sell refurbs - what does that tell you? It tells me that there is a high number of problem units, and no one seems to think the retail asking price is a good buy. Hint, Hint!

I actually looked into getting refurb'd grinders when I bought my new dewalts. I found that there aren't any. These have been on the market for approaching 4 months and not one is available in b-stock through the dealers or regional repair centers (we have one up the road from where I'm working now). Referring to the D28112 - there are some d28402's with varying degrees of wear - I decided to just buy a new one for another 15 bucks.

[HAWK]

Apparently they pulled your name from the member list too. I tried to search the site for all posts by fishyjim and your member name was gone.

I understand your frustration. Perhaps you should email admin and discuss the situation.

[cope]

What did you expect? Them to let you talk bad about the product that the forum is intended to promote?When I was about 19 me and a friend of mine got pulled over on the interstate in VA. by a state trooper,my friend thought it would be a good idea to let the cop know how he felt with a hand signal.Well, VA. state troopers dont like hand signals and he pulled my friend out the window,"restrained" him and took him to jail. One month later and about $1000.00 in fines plus hours of driving(lived in NC.) My friend still thought he was treated to harshly for a speeding ticket.

What name does he post under at Hobart? ;)

[Sundown]

Apparently they pulled your name from the member list too. I tried to search the site for all posts by fishyjim and your member name was gone.

I understand your frustration. Perhaps you should email admin and discuss the situation.

Hawk ...Try to looking using "Fishy Jim" not "fishyjim". I just checked and they are still there, his "name" is gone from the member list though.

[Sberry]

I was wondering how long that would take. Jim, I am sure you are well qualified to compare machines but I dont recall Hobart ever asking you to endorse their machines and what do you expect by giving a swift kick in the ***** to someone that has treated you well. I like Hobarts forum policy too, go over to the Ford site and see how its moderated. I have never see Hobarts people come on and dispute any other machine, many of those guys have commented on other companies machines as favorable and they have been nothing but helpful, they keep to the point despite somer of the stupid crap people say. Hobart makes some fine machines and they arent all for me either, they are a bit different class but I doubt you could tell much difference between a 140 and a Linc 135 (for the most part) and its a hundred cheaper or more. I know of a lot of them sitting around body shops that have made a lot of people a lot of money for a lot of yrs. Hobart has to do what they have to do and as far as I can see they are as good of company as any, better than most and if more outfits acted like they do I would have a lot more hope for American business than I do now.

[Scott V]

Seems like somebody got bent out of shape for nothing. I am not
talking Hobart either. ;)

http://hobartwelders.com/mboard/showthread.php?t=17601

[arcdawg]

I. Hobart has to do what they have to do and as far as I can see they are as good of company as any, better than most and if more outfits acted like they do I would have a lot more hope for American business than I do now.

with endorsements like that........ :D

Cary,

Hobart had the right idea at the right time with their message board. and they have the profits to prove it. that whole thing about the *mig* link was the sharks showing their teeth, they soon realized that it was a bad idea and they pulled it.

No doubt that hobart made some really great machines in their hayday. but the quality has subsided (along with most american Corps) but they still are making machines and still making money. hobarts bread and butter is the 135-140 line. does that mean that they are good quality or because they are cheap ?

as far as their moderation goes....well I still havnt figured that one out. they will let a sixteen year old kid blab on and on cry like a b**ch and yet they go nuts over sig lines....? ( I know that first hand) :D :D :D

Granted Fishy wanted a reaction from them and he got it....and he is getting a reaction on this site as well. I understand where fishy is coming from and I also see where hobart is coming from. Jim knew what he was doing and Im sure that he knew what the repercusions would be......

**** I give the guy credit for standing up for what he believes in.......

dawg

[Fishy Jim]

Well, hobart support has stopped responding to my attempts to be civil and resolve this with their forum people.

[cope]

Well, hobart support has stopped responding to my attempts to be civil and resolve this with their forum people.Jim, in that case I would either drop it or register with a new alias and use a hotmail or yahoo email.

[hankj]

Ahhh, Trout-man, ya can't piss in a guy's Post Toasties, then sit at his table and ask 'im ta pass the sugar! :D If you felt that strongly, the right thing to do would have been to quit the Hobart board!

I figure the fact that I hang out on the Hobart and Miller boards as much as I do is an endorsement of the product line to some extent. There are non-manufacturer sponsored bulletin boards out there. If I feel strongly about ITW's market research tactics, I guess I should be on one of them, huh?

Brian gives you credit for standing up for what you believe in, but for that to be valid, you gotta be willing to accept the consequences!

Hank

[arcdawg]

Ahhh, Trout-man, ya can't piss in a guy's Post Toasties, then sit at his table and ask 'im ta pass the sugar! :D If you felt that strongly, the right thing to do would have been to quit the Hobart board!



Brian gives you credit for standing up for what you believe in, but for that to be valid, you gotta be willing to accept the consequences!

Hank


Hank, thats the point that I was making in my last post.....Fishy knew well and good what would happen ;)

this horse is starting to stink dont you think ?

dawg

[Fishy Jim]

I like their consumables. However, if you go over to hobarts forum, you'll notice that I will no longer be buying them. I do put my money where my mouth is. It's not as though I was the only objector to their ploy. I'm just the only one who changed my "mig" links to find another product, and then disclaimed their tactics in my sig line. Apparently that was "too much." :rolleyes:

Any company who treats their (formerly) loyal customers like this for not agreeing they're "the best" at everything they make is asking to be left out to dry.

ITW is too broad a scope for this. Weldcraft makes good torches, and miller makes good welders (they made my hobart, after all). Hobart has their own sales figures and customer service to uphold or ITW will look to sell them off because they aren't profitable. Count me out on helping keep them afloat.

No need to keep this thread going. I wasn't asking for the world to agree with me. I did know it might make some people take notice, I just figured they had less fragile egos and could accept a counter point. After all, if their products were so great, they'd have a good laugh at someone pointing people in another direction. Right? :cool:

[fun4now]

looks like you have found a salotion to the posting problem. ;)
so as you said
No need to keep this thread going
....... happy sparks to ya buddy. :D

[Fishy Jim]

I'm not hiding, and I bet they'll ban me again, but I am being heard.

Oh well, off to make some more money not using hobart products. :D

I guess my issue is that since they felt they cannot counter my statement, they just tried to shut me up. You can sweep it under the rug, but it's still there. ;)

Again, thanks for everyones input. Have a great afternoon.

[jarto017]

These threads make me feel like such a cyber geek! Somebody hurry up and show me a cool looking chassis they welded, or I'm gonna kick my own ass. :D

[fun4now]

well its not a chassis they welded but i welded it and think its kinda cool. :D

wouldnt want ya to hurt your self. ;)

[bob_s2]

"Any company who treats their (formerly) loyal customers like this for not agreeing they're "the best" at everything they make is asking to be left out to dry."

They didn't do this at all. People have disagreed a lot on that board, with no ill effects. Why should they keep your inflamatory stuff around on a site they pay lots of money to run? If your sig line had been re-worded to be not so confrontative you'd be around the board right now.

You didn't really think it all the way through. It's not some insidious way of subverting America. Ever think that it's a welding site with a TON of information on it other than a goofy message board? Ever think that they wanted the WHOLE site to have the link, not just the message board? It's easier to set a global setting than to try to set it for certain areas and pages and not others. They probably didn't even notice the impact on the message board until it came up as a hot topic.
Even if they had wanted it just for the message board, so what?

I guess I don't understand why you get yourself all worked up about a company that has two product lines, one focused on those who need basic and can't afford the top end, and another line focused on those who can afford the better equipment. Why do you care how they break out their product line?

[tigman250]

this horse is starting to stink dont you think ?

dawg

and the buzzards are circling :rolleyes: it's been beaten to death, let it go.....let it go

[storts]

and the buzzards are circling :rolleyes: it's been beaten to death, let it go.....let it go
STINKY JIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMY FISSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY,,,,,Pew :mad:

[Fishy Jim]

Glad to see you put so much valuable input into the forum again Jack. :rolleyes:

They banned my IP address. Too bad it will reset automatically in a couple hours. :p

[storts]

Glad to see you put so much valuable input into the forum again Jack. :rolleyes:

They banned my IP address. Too bad it will reset automatically in a couple hours. :p
Do You Kiss yourself,,,,the first time you pmed me,,,it was how would i beat ou advteck on shipping????????I would not,,i can read,,,Just cant type,,,and whats your present job,,,????????So Smellying like a fish,,,your lucky roy,,,wasnt around,,,and By Buddy Rob,,Forgot more that you will ever learn,,,thats deflamation,,,Look out that great apartment,,,,for there sheriff,,,,You seem like a smart man,Or a used car salesman,,,To Put that in writing,,,,,,??????????????Hope those checks aint anouther stinky line of your BS,,,

[SMTatham]

Much ado about nothing............as I visit these various sites and message boards I am amazed at how much interest a crock of crap can generate.

[fyoung]

I call it entertainment!
Regards, Farris

[JD in Socal]

I've got a bit of a haven for members banned from other sites. You should check it out


that sounds like a nice group of guys...

[cope]

that sounds like a nice group of guys...

Yep, shouldn't take him long to ban them from his board, and if he doesn't, who else wants to visit?

[Engloid]

To post up that you like a competitors product better is somewhat unavoidable, as there's so many people with different opinions in this world.

However, to basically body slam the host of the forums, and advertise for a competitor is like punching them in the jaw.

I can't say I havn't ever made a hasty decision that I later wished I hadn't, but that may be what you've done here. My guess is that you were angry and acted quickly on it, by changing your sig line.

[fyoung]

well its not a chassis they welded but i welded it and think its kinda cool. :D
wouldnt want ya to hurt your self. ;)

That looks good! great job..thanks for sharing.
Farris

[KB Fabrications]

To post up that you like a competitors product better is somewhat unavoidable, as there's so many people with different opinions in this world.

However, to basically body slam the host of the forums, and advertise for a competitor is like punching them in the jaw.

I can't say I havn't ever made a hasty decision that I later wished I hadn't, but that may be what you've done here. My guess is that you were angry and acted quickly on it, by changing your sig line.

Ya think? :rolleyes: ;)

[Fishy Jim]

"I can't say I havn't ever made a hasty decision that I later wished I hadn't, but that may be what you've done here. My guess is that you were angry and acted quickly on it, by changing your sig line."

I wasn't really even angry though; they performed an experiment, and they didn't like how I responded to it. They have every right to do what they did. I'm not even disputing that - never have. However, discretion is what is missing from their involvement with me in this matter. I never had a sig line before they inspired me to have a disclaimer to how they were modifying my posts without my approval (they don't "need" my permission, as it is their forum, but a reasonable person would assume they would NOT do such things).

Apparently, Berkelusa (and his cronies) made a big stink about my disputing the validity of "his" sandblaster plans that he was openly (and incessantly) pushing on their forums. I have seen them before I had ever heard of him, and prior to when he claims to have originated the design for the plans. They whined and whined to the board admins (storts and wyoming are among these players btw) and that pissed off the mods back in November. I received, out of the blue, a notice from them (hobart) stating that I needed to stop what I was doing (which was just giving my informed opinion on Berkels plans - nothing against him or anything) or I would be banned. How that situation relates to this one is beyond me. :rolleyes:

So now that I am no longer allowed to even view the forums, I do take issue with their companies response to this experiment (gone wrong). If they don't want people speaking out against their products, they need to stop selling crap. That's my opinion, and I have every right to say it however I am so inclined to do so. They lost a customer of their other products because of this. Can't say I'll miss buying their stuff either. There's lots of alternate suppliers for what I purchased of theirs.

[WyoRoy]

"...They whined and whined to the board admins (storts and wyoming are among these players btw) and that pissed off the mods back in November."

Jim, While I don't post on this board often, that does not make it entirely safe for you to spout your hate filled gossip. If you have any way to substantiate the claim you made above about my having whined to the Hobart admins. I would enjoy reading it.

The last Hobart administrator I've talked to was Hobart Expert Rock. He was before your time and gone from the Hobart board before you came aboard. Only spoke with him to offer him hunting rights on my land.

Edit: Almost forgot...life is too short to argue with an idiot.

[fun4now]

welcome aboard. :D


Fishy Jim
they need to stop selling crap
wile i totaly dissagree with that statment, (there quality is above many of the lil 110V machines on the market).there are better ways for you to go about makeing your point. and had you gone about it differently you would likely still have posting rights, a few people have expressed there dislike of the MM135/175's here and even recomended the red version over them but they are still posting here. had they chosen to voice ther opinion the way you did i have no dought they too would be gone now. there is more than 1 way to skin a cat , you just chose the rong way to go about it.

that being said:
hobart and miller are bolth ITW company's and yet they havent banned you from here so they are still letting you debate your point, now that you have toned it down a bit. i would call that proof that had you toned it down in the first place you would still be posting on hobart, just as you are here.

by no longer buying the hobart consumables you are only hurting your self, as they are good products you will have to find a substitute for and most likely at a higher $$, and they will servive without you'r suport.

[MAC702]

by no longer buying the hobart consumables you are only hurting yourself, as they are good products you will have to find a substitute for and most likely at a higher $$, and they will survive without your support.
Kinda like a finger that cuts itself away from the body. Which ones gonna die?

[Fishy Jim]

"by no longer buying the hobart consumables you are only hurting your self, as they are good products you will have to find a substitute for and most likely at a higher $$, and they will servive without you'r suport."

Well, considering my new mig machine has a tweeco gun, and tweeco consumables are pretty much the same price and at least the same quality as the weld-it stuff - I won't miss them, and it won't hurt me in the slightest. One customer at a time is how every business in the world makes it or loses it. They need all of us, because collectively, that's how they survive. It wasn't their products that disappointed me, it was their customer service - the same thing that keeps many of you buying blue while paying substantially more for the same or less capacity as the competitions machines.

If they don't want my money, so be it.

Roy, you admitted to being Berkel's buddy when you invited me to join weldor's anonymous. I never said I knew you whined to hobart cs about me, I just said you were in cahoots with the guy for pushing sandblaster plans (since you did come to defend him in every single post he made about the things). You should understand simple sentence structure better than you lead on - being a former teacher and all.

[Trent_Combs]

Jim, this thread reminds me of my daily dealings with high school students. They, too, sometimes don't really say what they mean, or they do and wish they hadn't.
When the Hobart folks ran their little experiment, you blew up. You attacked them AND THEIR PRODUCTS on THEIR FORUM! You threw a childish fit in their living room. You sat at their table, ate heartily, and became an obnoxious drunk. You told them their kids were stupid and their wife was ugly. Now you're crying 'cuz you're not welcome there anymore.
The Hobart folks have publicly apologized for their experiment, and shown that they have true sensitivity for the board users. You, OTOH, continue to act like the petulant child, whining and pouting because you can't play at their house anymore. It's all THEIR fault! THEY made me do it! Other people have done worse! No fair! I don't need THEM anyway! I'll take my ball and go play with myself!
Grow up, Jim. Hobart screwed up and has admitted so. You rudely overreacted (just a BIT!) and are still being childish about it.

[Fishy Jim]

Hardly. You read entirely too much into things if you see what I said in response to their experiment as being severely bent out of shape. This is, and always has been, a philosophical and articulated distinction on how they have reacted to my disclaimer. I was banned before ever being informed my sig line was unacceptable.

I really don't care if they don't want my business. If they feel that way, I feel good about sending dollars to their competition. If this happens to enough people, ITW will tire of them not being profitable and sell them to the next highest bidder down the food chain. Doesn't worry, or bother me one bit.

I also do not regret stating my opinion how I did. It's how I truly feel about their wire feed welders. They're second hand millers at best. Lighter, weaker, more poorly made - junk. Even the new millers don't compare to the old one I sold when upgrading my mig. I had thought (mistakenly) that I could use that money on a newer and better machine, only to find the newer ones aren't better than the old one I got rid of. Now I'm looking for a portable job site 120v mig welder and will either have to wait to find one like my old one for sale, or wait to find someone making a decent small mig. The whole market segment has gone cheesy. I may get the clarke with the spool gun. At least that has added features.

By all means, you're entitled to thinking I have made an ass of myself. Diversity keeps the world interesting. I don't care either way.

[Trent_Combs]

Hardly. You read entirely too much into things if you see what I said in response to their experiment as being severely bent out of shape. This is, and always has been, a philosophical and articulated distinction on how they have reacted to my disclaimer. I was banned before ever being informed my sig line was unacceptable.

I really don't care if they don't want my business. If they feel that way, I feel good about sending dollars to their competition. If this happens to enough people, ITW will tire of them not being profitable and sell them to the next highest bidder down the food chain. Doesn't worry, or bother me one bit.

I also do not regret stating my opinion how I did. It's how I truly feel about their wire feed welders. They're second hand millers at best. Lighter, weaker, more poorly made - junk. Even the new millers don't compare to the old one I sold when upgrading my mig. I had thought (mistakenly) that I could use that money on a newer and better machine, only to find the newer ones aren't better than the old one I got rid of. Now I'm looking for a portable job site 120v mig welder and will either have to wait to find one like my old one for sale, or wait to find someone making a decent small mig. The whole market segment has gone cheesy. I may get the clarke with the spool gun. At least that has added features.

By all means, you're entitled to thinking I have made an ass of myself. Diversity keeps the world interesting. I don't care either way.

Jim, if all your posts were as well thought out and politely worded as this one, I believe you wouldn't be banned anywhere!

As for the quality of the Hobart units: Hobart is the lower-priced line. While they are NOT up to the Miller products, they are FAR superior to the HF variety. My HH135 has performed flawlessly (within it's stated capabilities) for both me and my ham-handed son.

ALL the companies entry-level products tend to be made cheaper year after year. That is the unfortunate result of competition. You are wise to shop around and buy what suits you best. Thant's why I drive a good ol' American-made Toyota Tudra!

[JD in Socal]

By all means, you're entitled to thinking I have made an ass of myself.

You might want to let this one go before you convince everyone of that...

[WyoRoy]

Roy, you admitted to being Berkel's buddy when you invited me to join weldor's anonymous. I never said I knew you whined to hobart cs about me, I just said you were in cahoots with the guy for pushing sandblaster plans (since you did come to defend him in every single post he made about the things). You should understand simple sentence structure better than you lead on - being a former teacher and all.[/QUOTE]

Just a final reply before quitting this argument...

I had not realized that you considered standing by a friend and defending his name to be whining. That says a great deal about your character...such as it is. We are known by our friends and I see none too many here extolling your virtues.

As to being a former teacher...well, once again you are coming up with unsubstantiated gossip and lies to forward your purposes. What those purposes are, I have no idea. While I did go to college to become a history teacher, I never completed studies to do so. I went into heavy construction instead after a summertime job in Wyoming where I found that a few months of construction paid far better than Nixon era teaching jobs. From heavy construction I hired out on the railroad in 1978. No teaching jobs here, there or anywhere Jim.

Now I've found you to be a total waste of my time on more than one occassion. If cornered, you move on and forget to be a gentleman and provide the courtesy of a reply. I believe it may be best for this forum if I no longer reply to your lame-brained diatribes, half-truths, innuendos and vain attempts to fill your pathetic existance with some purpose at the expense of others. Maybe its best for the forum if we all try our best to ignore you altogether.

Save someone else's world Jim. Mine is fine without your meddling.

[fun4now]

Now I'm looking for a portable job site 120v mig welder

you must not have looked to hard, i have had my MM135 for a lil over 2 years with great results. bolth with flux core and solid wire. i would have no problems at all takeing it to a job site as i know it would perform flawlessly there just as it has at home for me, bolth inside and out.and its ability to use the 8" role of wire would make it unlikely that i would need to change during any 1 job.i'm shoure with your atitude though you will likely never find a mig to suite your needs.again your loss not hobarts or miller's.

[SMTatham]

Don't feed the troll............oh my fingers are typing anyway!!! FishyJim has officially sunk to troll status with this post; IMO. Let's talk about anything.........VAGUELY connected to welding....please. :rolleyes:

[J hall]

Almost 2300 hits....unbelievable :rolleyes:

[Fishy Jim]

"you must not have looked to hard, i have had my MM135 for a lil over 2 years with great results."

James, I had my Millermatic 130XP for nearly 7 years with great results (well, as great as one could expect from a grossly underpowered machine). I figured at the time I would get rid of it and bought my TA251 (which I am very pleased with, but it still isn't built as sturdy as the machines of 20 years ago), then came to the realization that I had cut off a segment of services or put myself into needing a rental to access them again - so I looked at the new line up, the MM135 is made more poorly than my MM130XP was. It's as simple as that. Hobart "entry level" welders (well, when you look at their specs against the millers, and their construction, you could say their entire company is entry level) are cheesy. These are the machines hobart made all our posts reflect via their experiment. I stated I would suggest a TA, Lincoln, or Miller before ever suggesting a hobart. That, and I put a little jab about them being bottom of the barrel (because I truly believe you have to sink pretty low to find its equal in the 120v segment). I am entitled to that opinion. I can site reasons why I feel I am right in believing that - you have every bit as much right in disagreeing with me and offering a counter point. Hobart customer service felt that I should be banished, and my response to that, is that they cannot refute my arguments against their product lines or they would've laughed at me and proven the err of my views. Didn't happen.

Time to go use my Thermal Arc. :) Have a good weekend everyone.

[tigman250]

Jim, i must say that this thread is really getting old. you made a decision to crap in your bed so to speak and got banned. you made a mistake and got burned, so do the right thing and walk away from this experience with the knowledge to not do that again rather than trying to turn it arround to be Hobarts fault! i think if you go back and read all the posts in this thread you will see most everyone agrees with me, and the more you debate this matter the more you make yourself look bad.

Craig

[fun4now]

you realy have nothing to back up your complaint.

so I looked at the new line up, the MM135 is made more poorly than my MM130XP was. It's as simple as that
is it truely that far below the MM130 or is it that it just looks that way, wile i will not argue that things were made sturdyer 20 years ago, you also have to take into acount the advancements in matereals in the last 20 years. plastic is no longer just some week junk they stick in there to drop causts, plastick has been rediveloped in the labritory to do some amazing things and is stronger than steel lbs for lbs. not all plastics of corse but what are the specs of the parts you speek of???

(well, as great as one could expect from a grossly underpowered machine

just how much power do you expect to get out of a 110V machine?? lets be realistick here, you are talking about an entry level welder running off 110V on a 30amp breaker. for what it is taking in for power i think it is doing a fine job. heck even if you go to the top tecnoligy for our day and go with the inverter MIG like the passport you still only get 140amps out of the 110V side.wile looking at a $1500-$1700 sticker price. so for the $$$ you are putting out i think you would be hard pressed to find a beter MIG in the Hobart $$$ range. grant it its not a solid as the miller but look at millers $$$ in comparisin, and yet for the $$ of a hobaret you still get the after the sail service quality of the miller.if you think that for under $500 you should get a 150amp 110V MIG you can drop out of your truck at 50mph and pick it up and go back to work you are still living in the 60's. the fact that you can even get a MIG at under $500 with the kind of customer suport that hobart has to offer is werth a koodo's from me. but you go shopping for a low $$ MIG at HF and tell us how great it is :rolleyes:

all of your statments have been based on nothing more than your pissy mood because you didnt like the hobart test, well grow up no one liked the test and several people including me told them so, yet we all still have posting rights and dont feel the need to try to convince the world that we were right in this and hobart was rong. :rolleyes: mostly because hobart said they were rong for us. so you keep makeing stuff up to make your self feel better and with any luck at all andy will come along and erase this hole stinking pile of pooo you seem to think is your vindication.
:rolleyes:
a lil help here ANDY :D

[Fishy Jim]

What you all seem to fail to realize, is that I no longer care about being banned. Not even in the slightest. You try to make this an ad hominem attack on me because I don't like hobart's (and millers for that matter) 120v machines: which all run off 20A circuits James, 30A is not very common in 120v wiring as you'd need more than 12ga in the walls to run it - and that gets tough to pull and work with, not to mention likely needing larger conduit by code.

Here's one of the pics I shot for my ad on the 130XP. Now go look at a mm135 and tell me what's different.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y242/FishyJim/130XPinside.jpg

Keep saying stuff that isn't even remotely the case, and I will keep responding. IOW, if you want this thread to drop - Stop posting in it.

[fyoung]

Jim, Who makes this 130XP? looks well built.
Thanks, faris

[Fishy Jim]

That's the miller I sold. ;)

All the new ones are plastic.

[cope]

That's the miller I sold. ;)

All the new ones are plastic.

Why don't you take this tired show to weldingweb.com or somewhere where it might be appreciated. We are all getting a little tired of it all.

[Scott V]

The thing about the MM-130 and MM-130 XP is that it does not
weld as nice as a the HH-140 plain and simple. How do I know this??
I used the 140 and owned a MM-130 and the MM-130 XP.

It's light years ahead of the MM-130 and somewhat better then
the XP. It's quite a bit cheaper to buy and that is before inflation
is factored in. The XP series was never all that reliable compared
to the Lincoln machines and even the cheaper older real 120 Hobarts
were a better machine then the earlier Miller MM units. I used one
of those yesterday.

At least the Hobart is built here and not in Malasia like the Thermal-Arc.
Have you looked at the small Thermal machines?????

[Rocky D]

I know they won't miss me if I'm gone. I do, however, have proof that over 17 thousand screens flashed hobarts name across them in January because I posted there.


Sorry, Jim, I don't believe your screen shot of your Photobucket is real....you can't have that bandwidth with a free account.....nice try....give it up.

[JD in Socal]

What you all seem to fail to realize, is that I no longer care about being banned. Not even in the slightest.
Four pages of your desperate attempts to defend yourself suggests otherwise.

Considering that 100% of the feedback has been that you were off base and deserved the ban, you might want to cut your losses and move along.

By all means, you're entitled to thinking I have made an ass of myself.
Excellent point. And you are doing a fine job of reinforcing that conclusion.


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[Fishy Jim]

Sure you can Rocky, the limit is 2500mb. You might want to look at how close I was to being over my limit. But hey, what do I care if you think it's fake. :rolleyes:

You guys cry about wanting this thread to die, yet you keep posting in it. Not too bright huh?

[fun4now]

i dont see the inside of my MM135 as plastic crap looks prity solid to me, just as solid as the older version, just a bit more user frendly with a tention gage and a fast screw off 8" wheel insted of a carter pin. just dont see your point.
here is the inside of mine

[lramberson]

I have been known for my ability to terminate a thread just by posting and poof it loses its following :p
I believe James is right on with his real world use and experience on his unit. ;)

[Fishy Jim]

The one on the showroom floor was plastic James.

I'm not impressed with TA's little migs either. They just don't make stuff like they used to.

[fyoung]

Sorry, Jim, I don't believe your screen shot of your Photobucket is real....you can't have that bandwidth with a free account.....nice try....give it up.
Rocky, I just came from your web page on photobucket..i was really impressed with your work..that was real impressive!
Thanks for sharing, Farris

[Trent_Combs]

They just don't make stuff like they used to.

I agree - many products today have far superior performance while weigning less, taking less power and space, and costing less! Companies that still make stuff like they used to, with rare exceptions, are soon bankrupt.

[calweld]

who'd rather be driving a model t than one of today's cars w/air :) , electric windows :) , cruise :) , sound system :) , etc, etc. Didn't I just see a news article the other day about the average life of cars (in miles) increasing significantly in just the last 10 years?

[fun4now]

Didn't I just see a news article the other day about the average life of cars (in miles) increasing significantly in just the last 10 years?

well i dont know about that, my 1951 GMC has well over 500,000 miles on it. :D and thats just what i have put on it scence i got it in the 80's. :p

it is however that some things are getting better and cheaper to buy, look at computers in the last 10 years. back around 98 i got a computer with a 756 meg. hard drive with 64 megs of ram for over $1000.00 now you can get one 5X that fast for $400.00 :eek:

lots of parts have gotten stronger and lighter to make other stuff lighter and stronger as a hole. plasticks for an example are lighter and way stronger than just 5 years ago. and far lighter and cheaper than a compribal part in steel would be. all the lil parts add up to lighter faster and better gas milage in your car to use your example. ;)

[millsy]

Jim I dont know you but i have read your comments on many sites,which by the way you seam to piss more people off at all the time,maybe if you tried to not be such an ass more people would like your input insted of asking you to leave. just my 2 cents worth

[fun4now]

interesting place to put your first post, ;) welcome to the board :D

[RadMan]

interesting place to put your first post, ;) welcome to the board :D


LOL!!!!!!!

[fyoung]

I'll say one thing for JIM..You guys can't run him off. *LOL*
Hang in there JIM. Wasn't it Rodney King that said "Can't we just all get along"? To be honest I read this thread first just to see what the latest is..I'm thinking one of these days maybe everyone will kiss and makeup *LOL* probably no chance of that...I go over to the thread "maybe time to buy a new welder" and read that thread also..them boys are arguing over their diesel trucks...quite interesting!
Thanks guys for the entertainment..it's appreciated!
Farris

[ShieldArc]

who'd rather be driving a model t than one of today's cars w/air :) , electric windows :) , cruise :) , sound system :) , etc, etc. Didn't I just see a news article the other day about the average life of cars (in miles) increasing significantly in just the last 10 years?
I'd rather drive a 1965 cadillac than a 2005 Neon.......

[JD in Socal]

I'd rather drive a 1965 cadillac than a 2005 Neon.......


Sure, but would you rather drive a 1965 Corvair or a 2005 Neon, that is more "apples to apples"...


Maybe if this thread won't die, we can at least turn it into a completely unrelated discussion. That could only be an improvement.

[RadMan]

[QUOTE=JD in Socal]Sure, but would you rather drive a 1965 Corvair or a 2005 Neon, that is more "apples to apples"...QUOTE]



Make mine a turbo spyder, please. :D

[Tailshaft56]

With the cost of gas I think I would be happy to make mine a MOPED!

Dennis

[JTMcC]

My first heap was a 1964(?) Monza Spider, turbo, big gage package, engine turned dash, 4 speed on the floor, ect. I bought it from my big brother for twentyfive bucks. I was about 13 years old and couldn't drive it on the street but I slid that thing sideways on the dirt roads quite a bit. I sold it to finance a bigger motorcycle.

JTMcC.

[Scott V]

[QUOTE=JD in Socal]Sure, but would you rather drive a 1965 Corvair or a 2005 Neon, that is more "apples to apples"...QUOTE]



Make mine a turbo spyder, please. :D


Make mine a old Minivan please!!! :D

http://www.turbovan.net/van.html

[wrench3047]

can't haul much welding stock on a moped, but i would ride one or even a gremlin before a neon.

[cope]

My first heap was a 1964(?) Monza Spider, turbo, big gage package, engine turned dash, 4 speed on the floor, ect. I bought it from my big brother for twentyfive bucks. I was about 13 years old and couldn't drive it on the street but I slid that thing sideways on the dirt roads quite a bit. I sold it to finance a bigger motorcycle.

JTMcC.

When you are through with your trip down memory lane, here's a question for you. ;)

http://www.hobartwelders.com/mboard/showthread.php?t=17800

[precisionworks]

you seam to piss more people off at all the time,maybe if you tried to not be such an ass more people would like your input insted of asking you to leave millsy, your tact, diplomacy & tolerance toward others set a shining example for all to follow.

[KB Fabrications]

can't haul much welding stock on a moped, but i would ride one or even a gremlin before a neon.
Ya wanna bet? Check out this guy. :D I got this from a post by hotfoot over on the hobart board.

And, ummmm, I neither condone nor condem this behavior but, I like the picture. :)

[jeffscarstrucks]

Kevin, You should start a new thread with that picture called "Add your own caption" because you can't make that kind of stuff up! :eek: , JEFF

[KB Fabrications]

Kevin, You should start a new thread with that picture called "Add your own caption" because you can't make that kind of stuff up! :eek: , JEFF
Well if you like that picture, I might as well add his other one from the same thread (I hope he doesn't mind). Check out this guy going for one of his certs. :eek:

[fyoung]

Well if you like that picture, I might as well add his other one from the same thread (I hope he doesn't mind). Check out this guy going for one of his certs. :eek:

is that Red thing in front of the truck a welder? and I thought I had it rough having to use jack stands..I'll quit complaining!

[fun4now]

aww come on guys cut him some slack, i mean after all he did block the tire befor :rolleyes: well ok maybee after jacking but still he did it. not only that but he put in an extra 2X4 just to be safe, when 1 would have easily done the job. :eek: :p

now that other guy :rolleyes: is just skipping all the safty, he dosent even have a safty cap on that tank wile transporting.atleast he got some one else to drive so he could hold on with bolth hands though. :confused:

[Tailshaft56]

Ya wanna bet? Check out this guy. :D I got this from a post by hotfoot over on the hobart board.

And, ummmm, I neither condone nor condem this behavior but, I like the picture. :)

I was going to post this but I couldn't remember the thread it was in.

Dennis

[jeffscarstrucks]

I think I've worked with that guy....

[burninbriar]

http://www.gophergas.com/funstuff/womenlivelonger2.htm

This link has a bunch of good ones. It was in one of the old posts. :)

[JTMcC]

When you are through with your trip down memory lane, here's a question for you. ;)

http://www.hobartwelders.com/mboard/showthread.php?t=17800



OK, I'll stop. But I'm not going to contribute to feeding that guy ;)
I do have a nice Rockmount belt buckle tho.

JTMcC.

[RadMan]

[QUOTE=RadMan]


Make mine a old Minivan please!!! :D

http://www.turbovan.net/van.html


Well now,surely, I've seen it all!

[fyoung]

The family van that went ZOOM! really surprised me..that's something!