180sd vs. 200 [Archive] - Miller Welding Discussion Forums

90blackcrx

11-26-2005, 12:13 AM

So it was only a matter of time until I made this thread.

I think I have been waiting the longest for this day, yes I almost gave up on the release date but finally I get a break

Anyways do you guys think its a lot better then the 180sd ? I'm trying to gather as much information asap about this new machine, because I will be buying one pretty soon. How soon do you guys think miller will put the specs up on there site ? Also did the 180sd have digital read outs ?

Lets just forgot about my other topics for now, and put everything aside.

http://www.weldingsuppliesfromioc.com/servlet/Detail?no=1854

KB Fabrications

11-26-2005, 12:20 AM

90blackcrx

11-26-2005, 12:23 AM

You have got to be absolutely out of your mind.

Honestly man, what do you have against me ? I come here to learn, and I know others wanted to know the exact same question. Don't reply if you can't help at all.

If you want to reply about me, email me and feel free to talk to me. Don't bring it to the boards.

Two different threads, I did not feel like taking up the other thread.

I actually emailed Miller and they linked me to the boards to post this question, so I fogot that they put you in charge.

I wanted people that knew more about miller tig machines then I did, to chime in and actually try to help me pick a machine.

Lets stay on topic, anyone wants to direct anything towards me, email me at
90blackcrx@gmail.com

Coalsmoke

11-26-2005, 12:39 AM

I thought 1 hour ago you said you were getting the new one? Just confused is all. Are you still contemplating both??? Also, I think you will have a very hard time getting infomation out of people that they don't have. If this machine is not out on the market yet, we all haven't had time to try it, nor has it really been put through its paces by any members other than inside the blue factory.

I think you should just be cautious of flogging a horse that has been well around the block. Give it a little breathing time and see what developes, maybe some reviews will be out in the next week or two.

90blackcrx

11-26-2005, 12:46 AM

I thought 1 hour ago you said you were getting the new one? Just confused is all.

Well I guess I just like to compare things thats all. People could explain to me the features a little more, if there worth it and what not.

I don't know, maybe all this waiting just got me to excited :) . I just thought more informed people would have a better say.

I'm also kind of worried about buying it so quick, did miller ever have problems in the past with machines when they first released them ?

I guess I just wanted to here what people had to say, just by looking at the specs of the new one.

Another thing that I have a question about is, since IOC seems like the only place that has these, and say something does go wrong with the new machine, how hard is it going to be to return ?

On another note, if anyone thinks I'm really here to troll, or just stir up things. You are wrong, I apologize for anyone that I ticked off in the past. I'm here to learn as much as I can. Once again for anyone that has ever chimed in on a topic and if I seemed ungreatful. I thank you for any imput that you had.

Coalsmoke

11-26-2005, 12:53 AM

I think that if you bought the new 200 and it was giving you enough troubles to honestly warrant regretting it over the 180sd, I would expect that Miller would, if unable to fix those problems, make it right with an equal or better replacement machine. I don't know of any mass produced troubled machines that Miller has put out.

Coalsmoke

11-26-2005, 12:56 AM

90blackcrx

11-26-2005, 01:03 AM

Remember, Miller is Miller. One of their shining points is that they stand behind their product in a serious way, where ever you are.

Thats a big selling point.

Thanks for the response, really apreciate it.

Coalsmoke

11-26-2005, 01:10 AM

No problem.

burninbriar

11-26-2005, 01:54 AM

Another thing that I have a question about is, since IOC seems like the only place that has these, and say something does go wrong with the new machine, how hard is it going to be to return ?

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This has come up before in youre threads, if it breaks , any Miller service center will take it for warranty repair. You do not have to return it to the place of purchase. You dont even need a sales receipt. All thats required is that it is less than 3 years old, this they know by the serial #.

90blackcrx

11-26-2005, 02:36 AM

This has come up before in youre threads, if it breaks , any Miller service center will take it for warranty repair. You do not have to return it to the place of purchase. You dont even need a sales receipt. All thats required is that it is less than 3 years old, this they know by the serial #.

Thats good to know, thanks. Can I just search in my phone book for local miller service centers ? How would I find that out ?

My local gas place sells miller, would that make them a service center ? If so they got some explaining to do, since they said I had to return it to the place I bought it from.

Coalsmoke

11-26-2005, 04:11 AM

Contact Miller, they should be able to tell you the closest service center.

or

Go to Millerwelds.com,
under service and support, you'll get this page:
http://www.millerwelds.com/service/servicelocations.html
let the computer do the work for you :)

Blown S-10

11-26-2005, 07:39 AM

My local gas place sells miller, would that make them a service center ? If so they got some explaining to do, since they said I had to return it to the place I bought it from.

thats because they are trying to sway you to buy from them. but if you buy from the internet, and have problems, DON'T, and i mean DON'T, take it to a local place that knows you. i can almost garantee problems.

btw, where is this place ?

burninbriar

11-26-2005, 08:58 AM

thats because they are trying to sway you to buy from them. but if you buy from the internet, and have problems, DON'T, and i mean DON'T, take it to a local place that knows you. i can almost garantee problems.

btw, where is this place ?
I don't know that I buy that argument. I bought from IOC simply becouse my local dealers never returned my calls. It turns out that my local dealers are not repair centers but the nearest repair dealership was in Ohio , they came and picked up my machine free of charge, even though thats not part of the warrenty, never asked where I got it or looked at my sales receipt and treated me like gold. Had I known about them when I made my purchase, they would have gotten the sale.

Sundown

11-26-2005, 10:08 AM

I don't know that I buy that argument. I bought from IOC simply becouse my local dealers never returned my calls. It turns out that my local dealers are not repair centers but the nearest repair dealership was in Ohio , they came and picked up my machine free of charge, even though thats not part of the warrenty, never asked where I got it or looked at my sales receipt and treated me like gold. Had I known about them when I made my purchase, they would have gotten the sale.

I think for the most part it depends on the dealership. I have 5 large Miller dealers here, there are 3 service centers here and only one of the dealerships is a service center and thats the only dealership that does not floor Miller machines (although they will order them). When I spoke with them they told me that they didn't care where I got a miller from, if it was under warrenty they would repair it no problem (and they, in fact did with my STL). The other 4 dealers that do floor Miller told me that they would prefer that I purchased from them but would handle warrenty work unless I wanted to just take my problem directly to a service center. I checked with the other 2 service centers and they both told me that I could bring any warrenty problems to them and they would get approval from Miller for repair. I am not saying it's the same everywhere but I checked and have the same sort of deal here with my T/A, but there is only one service center and they just happen to do Miller, Hobart, Lincoln, etc also. As to the original question, if I wanted a 180 (which I don't for power consumption reasons mostly) I would get the new 200 without even think about it much. Right now I am still waiting for the new MM135 (or 140???) to be available, that is assuming it has the rumored on/off switch for disableing the WST thingy. :eek: :D

joebass

11-26-2005, 11:05 AM

I really don't know why you started a new thread. I don't think one person so far has said to get the 180. Everyone that has said to wait for the new one, buy used, or get the Thermal.

90blackcrx

11-26-2005, 11:59 AM

thats because they are trying to sway you to buy from them. but if you buy from the internet, and have problems, DON'T, and i mean DON'T, take it to a local place that knows you. i can almost garantee problems.

btw, where is this place ?

One is mitler in chicago ridge

I have a praxair around here also but they charge a little more, and every time I call them, there always rude.

Conrad_Turbo

11-26-2005, 12:00 PM

Obviously you weren't listening in the last thread....so get the 180SD that you want so bad. Weld up your manifolds and have a great time! Have fun man. ;)

90blackcrx

11-26-2005, 12:02 PM

Obviously you weren't listening in the last thread....so get the 180SD that you want so bad. Weld up your manifolds and have a great time! Have fun man. ;)

Already getting the 200, I just wanted to know the options and what not. Like I did not know what this was

NEW Syncro-start allows the operator to choose from 3 different starting conditions to optimize the application (soft/standard/hot)

I just wanted to hear what other people thought about this machine.

90blackcrx

11-26-2005, 01:17 PM

Thanks for all the help guys

Just talked to someone at IOC, helped me out a little.

And now I'm a proud owner of a syncowave 200dx

Just worried about the people that have to take if off the back of the truck. Hope they won't be rough with it.

imported_frank865

11-26-2005, 01:45 PM

Thanks for all the help guys

Just talked to someone at IOC, helped me out a little.

And now I'm a proud owner of a Syncrowave 200dx

Just worried about the people that have to take if off the back of the truck. Hope they won't be rough with it.

:) Congratulations!!!:) Let us know when it gets here, & post some pictures!!

"Hope they won't be rough with it"

BE THERE when they unload it, bribe them if you have too :) if that doesn't seem to be working...Promise to shoot them if they damage it!!! :D

90blackcrx

11-26-2005, 02:26 PM

:) Congratulations!!!:) Let us know when it gets here, & post some pictures!!

"Hope they won't be rough with it"

BE THERE when they unload it, bribe them if you have too :) if that doesn't seem to be working...Promise to shoot them if they damage it!!! :D

Thank you

I got friends that work for the cia and fbi, might have to call them up just to make sure there around :) . The guy at ioc said its usually around 25 to 40 bucks. But I guess its going to becoming on a big rig, and when I tell them I need a smaller truck with a lift gate, they will take it off that truck and put it on the smaller one, thats where they could damage it. I highly doubt they will do anything while I'm watching over them but who knows.

And pictures will be up as soon as I get it

unixadm

11-26-2005, 02:26 PM

Every Miller welder I've ordered that is dropped shipped from a Miller Warehouse has arrived to my home using Motor Cargo with a lift gate.

90blackcrx

11-26-2005, 02:29 PM

Every Miller welder I've ordered that is dropped shipped from a Miller Warehouse has arrived to my home using Motor Cargo with a lift gate.

And I take it there not damaged at all ? I would think they will pack it very good.

I always have full engines shipped here, and they come off a lift gate. I would think a full size engine and trans weighs about 3 to 700lb depending on what kind it is. And they always get it to my garage. Although when they see the bumpy drive weigh, and the small 3ft incline there always hesitant. And the German Shepard's barking like mad does not help either :)

unixadm

11-26-2005, 02:34 PM

Each shipper is unique. Most only have one driver on board and if they don't have a lift gate and it weighs more than 100lbs, plan on assisting them with unloading.

So far I've received a MM 251 and a MM 350P via Motor Cargo, directly from miller without a scratch. I would not say the packaging is excellent - it's a machine on a pallet surrounded by some card board. I'm not sure how the Syncs ship, but I'd guess it would be similar.

Providing they don't stab it with a fork lift or drop it, it's pretty safe bet it will arrive in good condition. The Miller Warehouse closest to me is in Los Angeles. I'm in Sacramento, about 11 hours away. My machine shipped on Monday and it was delivered on Wednesday.

burninbriar

11-26-2005, 02:45 PM

Congradulations, finally. Did you order a new argon bottle from them ? they usually have a pretty good deal on the 80 cf.

own6volvos

11-26-2005, 03:13 PM

And I take it there not damaged at all ? I would think they will pack it very good.

My ingersoll rand compressor dropped shipped from the IR warehouse, and the Miller 210 mig I got (also drop shipped from miller) were probably the cleanest looking boxes that ever arrived. No dings or dents in the soft cardboard.. NOTHING :eek:

Fishy Jim

11-26-2005, 03:17 PM

The liftgate was extra here - they wanted $75. :eek: Still showed up in a 24' straight truck (dock height, when I specifically asked for a low-pro) and it had a liftgate, but the driver claimed it was broken (probably because I told his boss I wasn't paying for a lift gate).

Then the driver claimed to have a bad back and wouldn't do much to assist short of scooting it off the edge of the deck. Fortunately, I had the well diggers pulling the well in my back yard who gladly assisted me in taking the 260# pallet off the truck and setting it on the driveway.

IOC should do better when making free shipping deals to individuals. How many of us have fork lifts at home?

At any rate, the machine arrived safely and in perfect condition. It would've been different had I not had some help. I sold my engine hoist a long time ago.

burninbriar

11-26-2005, 04:55 PM

IOC told me right off the bat that a lift gate would be extra. I had them deliver mine to the local Agway farm supply and they gladly unloaded it with a fork lift and put it in my truck free of charge.

Blown S-10

11-26-2005, 04:58 PM

One is mitler in chicago ridge

I have a praxair around here also but they charge a little more, and every time I call them, there always rude.

yeah, i know mittler, not far from me. they are good, but the one guy can be a pain.

btw. do yourself a favor. get the largest tank you can afford. tig uses a lot of gas(a lot more than mig, anyway). so, as well as i know you, you will be needing a lot of gas.

if you want. i will come to your house and show you how to get started on that machine. PM me here.

arcdawg

11-26-2005, 05:05 PM

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if you want. i will come to your house and show you how to get started on that machine. PM me here.

thats really cool man..... 90 take him up on the offer for sure - and good luck with the new rig. I am intrested to see how it compares to the p.t. 185

a few months back I had the oppertunity to meet up with someone from sft.com while I was in florida. it was really great to put a name with the avatar.......

good luck -

dawg

90blackcrx

11-26-2005, 05:52 PM

yeah, i know mittler, not far from me. they are good, but the one guy can be a pain.

Do you know his name? If not describe him to me please; I recently had an issue with them. They were supposed to order a Lincoln gauge, I waited a week and when I went in they said they needed the serial number of my machine. They could of called and asked for it, rather then have me wait a week.

btw. do yourself a favor. get the largest tank you can afford. tig uses a lot of gas(a lot more than mig, anyway). so, as well as i know you, you will be needing a lot of gas.

if you want. i will come to your house and show you how to get started on that machine. PM me here.

Right now I’m using this tank for my mig, how big is it cause last time the lady said they did not measure the tanks by cf ( had no clue why or what she was talking about ). I think its 80cf though, its 3ft tall

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/90blackcrx/gas.jpg

S-10 I will pm you, thanks for the offer.

IOC told me right off the bat that a lift gate would be extra. I had them deliver mine to the local Agway farm supply and they gladly unloaded it with a fork lift and put it in my truck free of charge.

IOC told me they are responsible for getting it from there ware house, to my house. I’m responsible for getting it off the truck. I said that’s going to be a problem, he said when the shipping company calls me, to tell them I need a truck with a lift gate. If the shipping company gives me problems well we will see what happens. My buddy is a police officer for the Chicago jail, (use to work for the cia guarding Mr.Greenspan ) said he will take off work and be here when its suppose to come. I would speck up, but for some reason people have more respect for a guy with a gun :) . I won’t worry to much cause I can’t control the situation until I see the truck arrive.

Congradulations, finally. Did you order a new argon bottle from them ? they usually have a pretty good deal on the 80 cf.

I did not, and the main reason I did not do so was because my local gas supplier said unless they leased me one of there own bottles, they would not fill it up. I would go to praxair but mitler ( local gas/welding store ) is 5 mins away.

burninbriar

11-26-2005, 08:15 PM

You might want to have them deliver it on the flat bed and have youre buddys there to help you unload it by hand if you dont want to pay for the lift gate truck. The policy does say you are responsible for unloading and a liftgate delivery is a speicial delivery and I'm sure they are in there rights to charge for that. Kind of like mailing a letter, 37 cents but if you want some thing speicial it costs extra.

90blackcrx

11-26-2005, 08:18 PM

Oh I got no problem with paying more for a lift gate truck. Unless they tell me its like $100 more, then I might think twice.

burninbriar

11-26-2005, 08:30 PM

The price will probably be based on how far you are from the transfer terminal. If I remember right , you have the optoin to pick it up at the transfer terminal and you will avoid the added cost.

burninbriar

11-26-2005, 08:32 PM

The price will probably be based on how far you are from the transfer terminal. If I remember right , you have the optoin to pick it up at the transfer terminal and you will avoid the added cost.
In my case the terminal was about 60 miles away ( I live in the sticks ) thats why I had it delivered to Agway.

90blackcrx

11-26-2005, 08:42 PM

Ouch, I don't think they should be that far away. Maybe I should email IOC and tell them to tell the shipping company I need a lift gated truck. Just don't want the shipping company to call when there on there way with a semi truck.

burninbriar

11-26-2005, 08:51 PM

They should email you a shipping confirmation and on it will be the number to call the shipper to set up the delivery details.

unixadm

11-26-2005, 08:53 PM

You are getting free shipping - don't forget that. Two or three guys can easily unload that pallet off of a Semi trailer.

They will contact you to schedule a delivery time. At least that has been the case with all of my freight packages. You can discuss with the shipper. Once IOC orders the the welder from Miller, they should know the carrier and also have a tracking number. They had a tracking number for my MM 251 and Cyberweld.com also sent me a tracking number for my MM 350P. Both came Motor Cargo with lift gates by default. They said it was flagged for Lift Gate delivery. So two different vendors, same Miller warehouse. I think Miller picks the carrier.

burninbriar

11-26-2005, 08:58 PM

IOC told me they use a broker that decides who does the delivery. Mine came by Holland express.

90blackcrx

11-26-2005, 08:58 PM

You are getting free shipping - don't forget that. Two or three guys can easily unload that pallet off of a Semi trailer.

I don't have 3 or 4 guys that can take off work to help.

It should be shipped out Monday with all the details. Anyone in Illinois have a fork lift :p and a big truck.

unixadm

11-26-2005, 09:09 PM

Should have got that TA 185TSW... 40 something pounds. :)

90blackcrx

11-26-2005, 09:11 PM

Should have got that TA 185TSW... 40 something pounds. :)

lmao :D funny.

Blown S-10

11-27-2005, 08:45 AM

Do you know his name? If not describe him to me please; I recently had an issue with them.
S-10 I will pm you, thanks for the offer.

If the shipping company gives me problems well we will see what happens. My buddy is a police officer for the Chicago jail, (use to work for the cia guarding Mr.Greenspan ) said he will take off work and be here when its suppose to come. I would speck up, but for some reason people have more respect for a guy with a gun :) . I won’t worry to much cause I can’t control the situation until I see the truck arrive.

I did not, and the main reason I did not do so was because my local gas supplier said unless they leased me one of there own bottles, they would not fill it up. I would go to praxair but mitler ( local gas/welding store ) is 5 mins away.

he's about 6' tall, and swedish looking. he's the main dude there.

don't think that having a cop there is going to get you anywhere. other than having an extra guy to help lift.

mittler knows you now, like he knows me. he will swap your bottles, but he will give you dirty looks cause you didn't buy them from him. this is the type thing i was talking about when i said "don't take it somewhere that knows you".
example. you go into mittler, and look at all their bottles(the swedish guy is helping you). then 2 weeks later you come in to swap a new bottle for a full one. the swedich guy remembers you = crappy service and the highest price.
get it ? i knows this, been there done that.

and thats an 80cf bottle. you WILL go through that pretty fast. try to find a 150cf. its cheaper in the long run.

find out who the shipper is. if its local, (could very possibly be YELLOW, 103rd harlem) you can have them hold it at the terminal. and i we will go there and get it with my truck. both me and you won't have any problem lifting that machine.

jesse

90blackcrx

11-27-2005, 01:01 PM

The guy you are talking about is pretty plain/boring guy right? I think I know whom you are talking about. I either deal with him or the lady working there. But as of a late, the short guy has been helping me. Really cool guy, but we will see how cool he is tomorrow when I tell him I did not order the machine from him.

I will let you know asap when I find out who is shipping it. How is your schedule look like though? Don’t want my miller stranded. I sent you a pm or I think, or it was an email.

And the reason I mention the cop thing was, sometimes I don't speak up enough, and he does.

Blown S-10

11-27-2005, 05:31 PM

Really cool guy, but we will see how cool he is tomorrow when I tell him I did not order the machine from him.

I will let you know asap when I find out who is shipping it. How is your schedule look like though? Don’t want my miller stranded. I sent you a pm or I think, or it was an email.

why are you going to tell him you didn't order from them :confused:

i get home from work around 5:30pm. i believe the terminals are open late, if not 24hrs. they will load it on the truck with a fork lift. my email doesn't work, PM only. but first, find out who is the shipper, and where the terminal is.

90blackcrx

11-27-2005, 05:35 PM

If I have the machine about 4 inches from a wall ( probably have it a little further), the wall is not finished either so there is no dry wall. And if its about 4 inches from my work bench which has no sides, just legs. Air will be able to circulate because its not really enclosed over there. Or should I stick to the 18 inches all around ?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/90blackcrx/newmachine.jpg

Blown just saw your reply, I talked to the guy last Tuesday and this was when I was set on buying the 180sd, so I told him I was coming back to buy it from him.

And I will find everything out

Engloid

11-27-2005, 06:07 PM

I don't know of any mass produced troubled machines that Miller has put out.
I think the Sync351's and some Aerowaves had some major problems with the main boards, but I think Miller took care of all those machines...enough so that it didn't really cause much alarm that would be noticed by anybody that didn't experience the problems themselves. Some of the Maxstar 140's or 150's had problems also...which were taken care of.

why are you going to tell him you didn't order from them :confused:
Honesty works wonders... "It was about $400 cheaper and I didn't have to pay tax or shipping." The guy would have to be a real ____ to expect you to pay that much more money just to do him some favor. And if he was that type, I'd not want to buy my gas and stuff from him anyway. In the end, they probably make more money off gas and consumables than they do the welding machines.

joebass

11-27-2005, 06:41 PM

How about telling the fact that the salesman told you it would be four months before that machine came out. By the way, I would be looking for a new dealer.

Fishy Jim

11-27-2005, 06:46 PM

I'm straight forward with my suppliers. I gave them the chance to beat the price and they said flat out they couldn't. They do respect me when I come back to get gas, rods, cups, etc. Makes them realize you are someone who's worth catering to in the long run. If they can't beat someone else's price, they should be understanding of it.

IOC is getting a lot of heat from dealers because they're selling below cost on some of the machines. My TA 251 would've cost my supplier more money than I was paying for it - and they're a TA dealer.

We have a place called Toll Welding Supply who's much closer than my guys, but the dude is a **** when I mention I shop around. To stay in business, you have to be competitive or offer something the customer can't get somewhere else. My supplier gives me lots of help with welding techniques and filler choices, and I pay a little more to buy some consumables from them because of it (I can get rods and wire cheaper at other places). When the guy at the counter expects you to drop your money in his wallet just because he's there - you're not losing anything if he loses your business. I'd find someone who wants to earn their keep.

90blackcrx

11-27-2005, 07:03 PM

How about telling the fact that the salesman told you it would be four months before that machine came out. By the way, I would be looking for a new dealer.

He told me this right after he got off the phone with miller, but who knows what really was said.

Blown s10 knows about the other guy we go to, he quoted me 1,900 with the tig runner, plus shipping would be $50 dollars since I lived in a house and he would have to drive down a street. But I live on a main street so it did not make sense. But he was being very rude.

Anyways what about the ventilation of the machine ? If its not getting enough air it should turn itself off right ? Not that I want that to happen, but I'm running out of space here. All of the sides will be pretty much open, I have a work bench with no siding on it. My garage walls are not finished so there not flat at all. Here is where it should be going. What do you guys think ? Maybe I'm worrying to much, but I just want everything to be perfect for the new machine. Here is the spot, so you can get an idea of what I mean about no sides on the work bench and unfinished walls. The brown cabinet will probably be moved. The space is about 32 inches

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y72/90blackcrx/newspot.jpg

Blown S-10

11-27-2005, 08:35 PM

Blown S-10

11-27-2005, 08:38 PM

oh-yeah. no PM's here. PM me on SFT.

90blackcrx

11-27-2005, 08:49 PM

that spot looks fine. i would put something above the machine. just in case something falls off the bench.

yeah, the guy at mittler is kinda a ****. like he expects you to buy from him.
BUT, mittler is about the largest gas supplier around my parts. they sell gas to other suppliers. i get my gas from there most of the time, they swap FULL bottles. another place close by, fills your bottle, but only 80% full. though they only charge 80% of a full bottle. anyway

don't bother calling that place to tell them. you'll be starting a (proverbial) bridge on fire. and thats not a good thing to do.

Yeah Hank brought up a good point
"The clearance numbers for the 180 are only important if you run at top end
all day"

Which I won't be doing

I'm going in there tomorrow to buy a bottle, I know the one guy is going to be working. Me and him kind of got a friendship going on there, I mean we can crack jokes at each other and what not. I'm sure he will be surprised to even hear that I got a 200dx.

But I might wait to tell him all that until I get my lincoln gauge that had to be special ordered.

By the way, I will email you.

90blackcrx

11-28-2005, 10:53 AM

Miller said they would fax me over the spec sheet, to bad I don't have a fax machine :( . But I think miller is updating there site.

No word on shipping yet from IOC

Fishy Jim

11-28-2005, 10:58 AM

Did you actually order it already?

They got my info to me later monday afternoon. Welder showed up wed.

bigdogjoe62

11-28-2005, 11:58 AM

Most of the common carriers charge for tailgate deliverys $40.00-$50.00 most do not have low boys or straight jobs,up here in the N.E. anyway here atr your local welding supply distributor we will help load your machine for free and even give you a class on how to use it ;)

90blackcrx

11-28-2005, 12:17 PM

Did you actually order it already?

They got my info to me later Monday afternoon. Welder showed up wed.

What machine? The 200dx ? Its been out for a week :eek: and I did not know. Yeah I ordered it.

Anyways I just back from my gas supplier, tell me if these prices seem fair

150cf bottle 205.00 and $50 to fill. So it was like $250

tungsten $2.50
filler rod was $3.00 a pound

I did ask them why they have no prices on things, he said because everyone that comes in gets a different price, which kind of shocked me. But I think if you are a big time contractor you get better prices. He did tell me one guy came in for gas, and was telling him how cheap the other place was, and basically telling him what was what. He's like I charged him a little more for the gas . Was that you blown s10 , just kidding.

And he was pretty much shocked that the 200dx was out already, not sure if he was disappointed or mad at me, or the miller rep. I do feel bad buying it off the Internet and not local, but business is business

I found out they do repair machines, they said a lot of IOC customers come in with broken machines which ticks them off.

Hopefully I never have to take back a machine cause it’s broke.

bigdogjoe62

11-28-2005, 12:27 PM

At my shop we only sell up to 80cf outright $126.00 first time filled free, after that its$29.53 to fill, we lease 120-150cf bottles they are mostly 120cf, leases $99.00 3yrs, fills $33.99 :)

90blackcrx

11-28-2005, 12:30 PM

Well I think they lease them as well, I bring it back and they give me a new bottle. An 80cf from my shop was $150 I think, first time fill was half off, which its $30 dollars to fill normally.

I hope the shipping place has a low boy or life gate. I will call IOC later if I don't get an email from them.

Oh and as far as the lincoln gauge goes, he showed me how many he ordered because so many people can not get them. He had a whole bag full that was going to one guy. The guy told him people come in looking for the gauge, and he can not get them anywhere.

Fishy Jim

11-28-2005, 12:47 PM

Up here, my 80cf of C25 is $30.20 (incl. tax and hazmat - out the door price), my 152 of straight argon is $32.13 (out the door). Both are my bottles, but one is exchanged because I got it from them.

When you consider re-certification on a bottle is around $8 and only needs to be done every decade. If you're not in this for the short term to get something done and then unload the gear at the end, it makes sense to buy your tanks. $99 every 3 years winds up being a landfall profit for the vendor and money wasted from you. If you can do monthly rentals on tanks and need a funky blend for a specific job, then that swings the scales in the favor of a rental. Anything defacto like argon or blended for mig - you're better off buying outright.

90blackcrx

11-28-2005, 02:21 PM

Well still nothing from IOC, tried calling them but no answer.

And the place I go to, I think they only allow you to lease the bottle from them. Not to sure.

He also told me argon is high now because there is a short, anyone here anything like that ?

Fishy Jim

11-28-2005, 02:46 PM

LOL Argon is an atmospheric gas. They collect it from the air and put it in a bottle. :D

90blackcrx

11-28-2005, 02:52 PM

LOL Argon is an atmospheric gas. They collect it from the air and put it in a bottle. :D

:cool: I knew that :p

I kind of felt like the guy was just rambling off, I have a west coast choppers jacket and he started mentioning a guy he knew worked on over haulin. Then he brought up west coast choppers ( I figured he just brought it up cause I had the jacket )

Is IOC closed on Mondays or something, they won't pick up the phone or call me back ?

Waiting is the hardest part .

Fishy Jim

11-28-2005, 03:43 PM

One of their guys was emailing me and then called me on sunday morning (placed my order sat night) to make sure I still wanted the welder when I was discussing the delivery and lack of lift gate issue. I imagine they're just busy right now.

90blackcrx

11-28-2005, 03:49 PM

Just got off the phone with them, a big storm knocked their data base offline. I should be getting all the information tomorrow; he said a common currier would be shipping it. He first said ups would, is ups considered a common currier?

90blackcrx

11-28-2005, 04:39 PM

http://www.overnite.com/

Is shipping it, but the email I just received was titled syncowave 180sd

Hope they sent the right machine :D

90blackcrx

11-28-2005, 05:55 PM

Invoice is right, they have a new guy sending out the emails and he probably did not even know the 200dx was out yet. Should be here tomorrow . Will have pictures, I will start a new thread.

Thanks guys

BigDTig

11-28-2005, 07:23 PM

He also told me argon is high now because there is a short, anyone here anything like that ?

There's something to this.

Apparently there's a demand problem and the seperation plants are over capacity. My dealer said his bulk supplier only honored 85% of his order for this year.

wb5jhy

11-28-2005, 07:51 PM

http://www.overnite.com/

Is shipping it, but the email I just received was titled syncowave 180sd

Hope they sent the right machine :D

Those are the same a-holes that cratered two (2) MM210 trying to deliver to my house this year. Be sure you check that unit out real good before you sign off receiving it. Inspect the pallet for signs of dropping and look at the sheet metal under the cardboard box before you accept it.

Anxious to see pics of the new 200. Good luck

90blackcrx

11-29-2005, 11:50 AM

Those are the same a-holes that cratered two (2) MM210 trying to deliver to my house this year. Be sure you check that unit out real good before you sign off receiving it. Inspect the pallet for signs of dropping and look at the sheet metal under the cardboard box before you accept it.

Anxious to see pics of the new 200. Good luck

Not good, I tried calling them because it is as the local ware house. Was going to tell them I needed a lift gate truck, so they did not have to double load it. But I got transfered over to dispatch and no one ever picked.

I know me and a bunch of other people really want to see what the new 200 looks like.

Fishy Jim

11-29-2005, 12:03 PM

There's something to this.

Apparently there's a demand problem and the seperation plants are over capacity. My dealer said his bulk supplier only honored 85% of his order for this year.

We have a praxair plant about 3 miles from my house. My supplier buys their gas from them, but praxair's prices are insane to consumers so I go to my guys and they're pretty tough to beat for gases. Airgas technically owns my oxy/acetylene bottles, but they were acquired from another outfit that went under and we've (my father and I) never seen a bill since the ownership changed, but without papers I have no choice with them.

90blackcrx

11-29-2005, 12:30 PM

Well it will be here tomorrow. So I have more day to get ready for it :D

I called them shipping company to make sure I did get a truck with a lift gate. So thats all been taken care of.

Should be here between 12 and 2 . So thats when the pictures will be posted as well.

burninbriar

11-29-2005, 02:07 PM

Did they quote a price for the lift gate ? Just woundering what they charge.

90blackcrx

11-29-2005, 03:42 PM

Did they quote a price for the lift gate ? Just woundering what they charge.

Actually they did not even say anything about a price, I was waiting for him to tell me there would be a charge but he never did. I will let you know how much they charge me.

Really glad I called though, it arrived at the ware house 6am this morning, I was expecting it to get loaded and be here today.

I call them, and the guy said, no one made an appointment for shipping. So it would of just been sitting there until one of them called me, which who knows when that would of been.

Now my miller machine is all alone out there :D

90blackcrx

11-29-2005, 06:10 PM

Just wondering and waiting. Do the power cables come stripped already ?

Blown S-10

11-29-2005, 07:11 PM

Be sure you check that unit out real good before you sign off receiving it. Inspect the pallet for signs of dropping and look at the sheet metal under the cardboard box before you accept it.

this should be done when you buy pretty much anything. heck, when i buy ice cream cones, i open the box to see exactly whats in there. you just never know if its damaged. or ****, if whats on the outside of the box(pics, description) is actually whats inside the box.