Celebrity endorsements

[whatter]

Hi,

Been away from the board for a while. I just read a thread about Jesse James endorsing Esab. I think the smart thing to do is decide exactly what your requirements are and pick the best machine to meet your needs and budget. Before I bought my Tig machine I obsessed over red vs blue vs Thermal Arc vs Esab. I finally decided on a Dynasty 200DX. It may have stretched my budget but it met all my requirements. I have never regreted my choice. My advice is decide what you want, what you can afford, and most importantly what meets your needs. Don't be influenced by all the hype. In the end, who gives a fat rat's a__ about who endorses the product. It is about what is the best tool for YOU! Sorry for the slight flame.

Hope this helps the newbee's a little,
W. Hatter
MM251
Dynasty 200DX

[Chopper]

Whatter, I would agree with you 110%. The post wasnt meant to stir flames... Just as an FYI... Thanks.

[ASKANDY]

Here's a little inside for ya..

FYI

He may endorse one brand but I KNOW he has Miller in his personal shop. How do I know.....Cause we put it there 3 years ago.

Andy

[Scott V]

Here's a little inside for ya..

FYI

He may endorse one brand but I KNOW he has Miller in his personal shop. How do I know.....Cause we put it there 3 years ago.

Andy

What gets me is, Esab does not even give him their best welding machines. ;)

[ASKANDY]

It's a money thing... I'd endorse Victoria Secret bras or if they paid me enough. :rolleyes:

A-

[Steved]

So ANDY, by that token, if all the people on here threw in a couple of bucks each, we could see some modeling photos of you.....? HA!!! Watch what you say.....

Hmmmm. Everyone has their price.

[ASKANDY]

Bring it on Steve but no loonies or twoonies!!
:D
A

[mm210]

It's a MONEY thing, as Andy pointed out. ESAB was willing to give him more that Miller or Lincoln, either money or equipment, or both.

[Scott V]

It's a MONEY thing, as Andy pointed out. ESAB was willing to give him more that Miller or Lincoln, either money or equipment, or both.


That brings up a good point.
When Miller was outfitting Jesse's home shop, did he get any discounts? ;)

I did talk to a Esab rep. about the Esabs in Jesse's Shop, and he did say it cost them plenty!!!! :eek:

[Roadster]

My advice is decide what you want, what you can afford, and most importantly what meets your needs. Don't be influenced by all the hype. In the end, who gives a fat rat's a__ about who endorses the product. It is about what is the best tool for YOU! Sorry for the slight flame.

I'm a little perplexed as to why this issue seems to bother so many people on welding forums?

[Brian C]

From a marketing standpoint, the best one to outfit Jesses shop should be Lincoln. They should get in there, load him up on money and perks and outfit the shop with every thing Home Depot sells, and then get HD to pitch in. That way, every little teenie bopper, and office geek that watches can make a B-line to the local HD and with a swipe of a credit card, and 0% for 12 months can be looking like Jesse.

Think of the entertainment we could get out of THAT......I'd love it.

ER doctors would get more business... it's a win-win.

[whatter]

Hello again,

I didn't mean to flame in my original post. I work at JSC NASA. This last Monday the OCC crew showed up to announce that they were building a Bike to honor the Space Shuttle Crews. I think that is wonderful. With all the bad press NASA has endured recently it is nice to know somebody cares. The OCC guys scheduled a short question and answer period in the JSC Auditorium. Hundreds of people showed up in spite of the rain for the Q&A session. There were so many people that security had to clear the aisles for safety reasons. What bothered me was that the people at JSC acted like they were in the presence of Movie Stars. I didn't hear one really intellegent question from any of the hundreds of engineers present. There seemed to be too much hype. When I read the thread about Jesse James it seemed to be the same story again, too much hype. I am not a welder, I am an Electrical Engineer. When I started to learn to weld this message board was my best no BS source of knowledge. This was the one place I got straight answers from knowledgeable people with no bias. I was just trying to pass on what I thought was good advice to welding newbies looking at purchasing their first wleder. I apologize for any anything that may have offended anyone.

Thanks,
W. Hatter

[Scott V]

W. Hatter,

I pretty much think most peoples opinions as baised. Mine too!!!
I do not really go by somebody saying a 251 is the best welding machine out. I used one and it's a really good machine but not the best out. (IMO)
Just a example how different people like different type arcs and what not.
The good thing is Esab/ Lincoln / Miller all make very good products, so it's really hard to go too far wrong. Some people will not even really notice the
difference in machines and other people will notice all of them.

So the very best thing you can do is test drive the different machines in the same class. Then you have more of a reference to compare too. :cool:

A lot of times you really need to run a machine for a while, before you catch on to it's settings that will work for you. It's like blame the machine because you did not explore all of the different settings/type for wire, gas, etc.
Wirefeeders just by the nature of the wire feeding itself, can weld way different if a little thing is off some. If you ever weld aluminum the point gets driven home a lot!!! :eek:

[Brian C]

Whatter

There are SOOOOO many jokes streaming through my brain about OCC building a bike for NASA, I'm just shaking.

Must...resist....urge.

[fun4now]

good point about Lincoln and Home Depot or sears. Lincoln is about the easyest welder to find, but that may be why they didnt go for it figuring most people goof ***** being swayed by that show wont know where to look for a esab and will settle for the easy find for there easy hobbie.


ummmm :rolleyes: is that Victoria Secret bras offer only good for andy ?????? i could realy use a Dyn.200DX an i anta scart ta werk fer it :p

would i have to shave the beard :confused:


come on give us a few of thouse jokes, it's not good to keep things bottled up ya know ;)

[burninbriar]

Whatter

There are SOOOOO many jokes streaming through my brain about OCC building a bike for NASA, I'm just shaking.

Must...resist....urge.
How about a bike built totally out of used parts made by the lowest bidder that leaks fuel and blows up on the return trip.

[Revlimit]

Whatter, hats off to you boys. Very,very,very few Americans understand what NASA is able to pull off with the funding available. There exist no machines on this planet as awesome as the stuff you guys field. There is absolutely no comparison in any way, shape, or form. Period. End of story. So don't let the ignorant majority take down the talented minority my brother. You guys are the best of the best of the best. Always have been, always will be. Revlimit.

[Steved]

I must get on the bandwagon here.

It is soooooo very easy to note the problems with a product or a design after it has failed. Just imagine how many problems were avoided through the design process.

I am sure that everyone here has made something from an idea that they had. When the project is complete you always know what you would improve.

Try building something to a specification that keeps changing all of the time, something that has never been done with processes not yet developed or tested, to be used in one of the most unforgiving places known to man, on a tight timeline with a limited budget.

Please give these individuals a break. More thought and energy goes towards design that most people know. Start adding on different specialities, electronics, mechanical, strengths of materials, software etc then the project complexities are exponential.

To tell you the truth, it is amazing that the whole system worked once never mind numerous times considering IT WAS NEVER DONE BEFORE.

[burninbriar]

I did not intend to criticize the incredible work of Nasa.Every one with a sane mind knows the work of Nasa is to be admired.It was a JOKE! The first thing that crossed my mind when I read the post.You should not take every thing so seriously, youl grow old befor youre time.

[Revlimit]

Right on Steved. Unfortunately, for most cynically minded individuals, it's not a matter of "giving someone a break." For them, there is no "choice" of point of view, as their very nature thrives on the failure of others. What a sorrowful and empty way to live a life. Hmm. By the same token, it should come as no surprise that the leaders in our society are those courageous enough to try, yet sometimes fail miserably. The followers of course, never having the courage to hang it out there, sit the bench of life and complain about not getting their deserved playing time. :confused: It's all about GUTS. Bottom line is, you've either GOT 'em, or you don't. Those who spend their lives building the space program wrote the book.

[Revlimit]

Burninbriar, I don't think that his comments were directed at those like you who crack a few jokes now and then. We all get the jokes. It's more about those whose entire way of life is about criticizing something they don't understand and meaning it. Joking and intentional hurt are completely different.

[fun4now]

i dont think OCC could build with old parts they wouldnt have instructions to put it togather :p seems like almost all the choppers in the magazeens now are just order and assemble, some dont even put a decent paint job on them.

as for the joke LOL it was just that a joke i dont think any one here thinks baddly about NASA it is a great program even without the funding it realy needs. maybee if it could use the shuttle to put some comercial sattilites up it could make some $$$ but it is not about that its about 1st steps and need's more publick support and funding. after all it could be the anser to where oure great grand kids will be living. but as usual we are all to worryed about me! me! me! to think tward oure kid's kid's options.

hummm :rolleyes: ranting again :o

[whatter]

Hey Guys, thanks for all the positive comments about NASA. it is nice to know that people still support the program. By the way the OCC Crew handled the Q&A session with alot of class. They even allowed a couple of ladies from the crowd to come up and give them a hug.

As for jokes at NASA. Whenever someone does something really stupid, we tend to look at each other and remind ourselves that we aren't the same people that went to the moon. They retired twenty years ago.

Thanks again,
W. Hatter

[Tailshaft56]

From a marketing standpoint, the best one to outfit Jesses shop should be Lincoln. They should get in there, load him up on money and perks and outfit the shop with every thing Home Depot sells, and then get HD to pitch in. That way, every little teenie bopper, and office geek that watches can make a B-line to the local HD and with a swipe of a credit card, and 0% for 12 months can be looking like Jesse.

Think of the entertainment we could get out of THAT......I'd love it.

ER doctors would get more business... it's a win-win.


I dunno! Aren't we already short on ER doctors?

Dennis